I suspect I might have a suggested public version to SDE by Monday, depends on what else comes up this weekend alongside the forum, tickets, modding in-game, etc.  There will then need to be time for them to consider it and where to place it if they argree with its release.  If further changes are needed then that will need doing as well.

Any ouststanding agenda items can be addressed in the next meeting or on the Fleet Leader area when it appears.

TeamNF are constantly aware of my availability - that is sufficient.  Moreover, they are perfectly empowered to act in my absence if required.  If anyone needs to contact me then email is best and PM after that.  I will always do my best to answer those, as numerous people could probably testify if they wanted to.

The atmosphere might be slightly better for new players, but it has some way to go.  What frustrates immensely are those occasions where clever plays on words or taking advantange of others slightly less holistic understanding of the English language are used to abuse without directly contravening the published forum rules.  That is what we need to improve on next so everyone across the community can contribute irrespective of their standard of English without fear of retribution or excessive criticism.

See my point Vick?

Regarding new players;

1) Ingame starter missions need to be revamped and reworked; Missions based around each class, type of gameplay.

2) New player guides on the forums (with links from ingame to them)

3) There needs to be a role for new players; Too often (especially with this event) you see FF/DD just fictorying in GB to get Exp. The only role they have in GB is ASW, but that it imbalanced on subs (being so low level), and without buying PHH, they can't actually do much anyway. That obviously is a balance issue; but it is still a point; Maybe giving CL basic sonar and moving FF/DD to Blitz to learn their trade.

4) Most importantly a new player forum.

5) An ingame channel for new players that is advertised in the missions (as well as a TNF ingame channel); maybe with a channel autojoin feature.

Not posting often doesn't make your opinion worthless. I used to lurk these forums for years without posting much of anything. 

first of all I want to call attention to your comment vick about other forums wouldnt tolerate this, first I must add your completely wrong, most other game forums are much, much worse then these forums ever thought of being, and maybe you ned to research futher till making comments as such

2nd you are the head moderator, does that mean ppl have the right to crap on you? NO

but it also means that most if not all the hostility will be aimed at the person that the community/player base see's in charge, reguardless if it your fault or not, its human nature, and doubt it will change, so maybe you need to suck it up and understand you put yourself in this position and you deal with those decisions, if you think laying the hammer down will stop it, all I have to say to that is you are more out of touch with these ppl then even I thought

this event just goes to show you how irritated these ppl are, and when SDE decides to throw you to the wolves, expect to get eaten, this event is utter fail, the server crashes, the huge bugs, all of it, and you wonder why they are coming at you for it? well please tell the community who they are suppose to go after for it, the GMs? the Devs?, they sure the hell are not here, so guess who it goes to? thats right you!!!


you want contructive communication, its been how many years now with same issues and worse now? how long must the community be nice and sweet and tolerate their hard earned money flushed down the toilet, would you put up with this from any other company, why should they here, dont say support tickets because I can write a novel on how Fed up that proccess is

so where does it go Vick?

im really tired of reading on here how your the victim here, and we should all feel pity that your being so called abused, welcome to the big leagues, you wanted to be the starting pitcher, so do it or get off the mound

ppl in this community are tired of being abused too, but im sure your issues are more important, please continue to go with that

all this community has asked for is:

communication
promises kept
and fix this dang game, if ppl didnt care about it, this game would be dead now, dont you think?

so please bury the hammer in ppls skulls, and lets see how far that goes

remember Vick we are victims too, and we get abused by SDE daily, monthly, yearly, even before you took this position, so the anger is pure hatred and as long as you hold the key to any communication to the money makers, expect to get the rants and raves.

welcome to customer service, or shall I say lack there of, its a bitch isnt it?

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**Devildog8 Raised**

• SDEs involvment: **Why they wont get involved more in talking to the community**
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• monthly news letter: **a monthly news letter needs to be made every month to let the community know of progress on game inner works, why isnt it?**
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• balancing of content before release: **has been a growing issue for years, what are your solutions to this issue?**
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• Forums: **Why have the forums turned into a bashing fest, and not taken control off by the forum mods.**
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• Information: **the website needs to be upgraded to give more information to current players and new players. Eg: 'HA results', 'Guides', 'Fleet information', Current players online'.**
• Fleet Tag Size: **A 20x20 pixel image can be hard to make, possible upgrade to 30x30 or 40x40 to help give fleets more options.**
• AFK hosts in game: **We need to have a system were AFK host do not stop the rooms from going, maybe given punishments to AFK hosts as this has gotten out of hand.**

**Cracko Raised**

• Improve the current "suggestion system" with real answers, feedback and if possible, dialogue: **will need to read his post**
  
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• Give proper answers to the great amount of good suggestions that are there right now: **will need to read his post**
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• Fix the TNF once for all, descentralization, reestructuration, regeneration looking for more efficency and also highlight the task of bridge of comunication bewteen SDE and community: **will need to read his post**
  
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• Put Fleet leaders forums to work, put trolls under control and make those forums real hybrid forums between TNF and Fleet Leaders: **will need to read his post**

**Deral Raised**

• #1-SDE does not interact with its players in game and barely in forums:
  ** That job has been left to TNF to be the sole voice of NF

I certainly dont want pity DD and I am not making out to be a victim, I know exactly why people have a go and quite often I dont blame them.  However, there are times when the attacks are done with hidden agendas (let's say one in particular about getting me removed) and that is when it becomes pointless and destructive, as those that attempted it last time and the time before found out.  You should also appreciate I have a reasonably thick skin so the last thing I need is sympathy from Fleet Leaders or anyone else.

There are calls for me to represent the community and all of it - so what I am doing here is actually representing that quiet majority (yes majority not minority) that dare not post here for fear of retribution, the majority that look at some comments on these forums and wonder why on earth members of TeamNF put up with it, the majority that support TeamNF and appreciate what the guys do for them.  And yes I do research other game forums, otherwise I wouldnt make the comment.  Yes I do research how many positive messages we get versus the few vociferous posters on the forums, so I can make the 'majority' qualified comment.  Yes, I believe my 6 years in TeamNF gives me a reasonable feel for who are the majority and who are the minority and it does frustrate me when I know the majority are the ones suffering - the removal of the FL area being a classic case in point.  Certainly when that returns it will be for the majority to gain good use from and we will not permit the destructive minority to spoil that one again. 

As always there are some useful points in amongst this thread and I will try to capture those. 

For Navyviper - I am deliberately waiting for the revised Fleet Leader area to take those forward.  If you want to think of that as a launchpad for the new area and comms with Fleet Leaders then I think that would be a good analogy.