Subs don't need a nerf, if anything DD and up needs to lose the auto ability.

@Kilaenots:

obiously capping the speed at 35/36 would make no difference to a ss1 or 2 that why I
asked you, imagen this on a SS3/4

ok more air with less speed, but a variable of torps? in less of a week we will see
another post complaining about those "super torps"

probably on kaiser SS players just rush and die while they try to use smoke, but
belive me when I say we already have a lot of skilled SS on Nebraska

also the smoke are very useful on HA (instead being a SS just waiting to attack
enemy SS or kill BB) you can help a fleet mate or more with just one good launched smoke


and if you enjoy the game without SS remember there's always the "BB only" game room


@aspade: then the BB players can complain / suggest a better BBonly room

"What I don't understand is if BB players hate SS so much, why don't they open more
of the BB ONLY games?"

Because GB2 gives massively more XP than BB rooms. So opening a BB only game means 20
minutes of waiting for people to join. And 5 more minutes of trying to verbally balance
because hosts aren't allowed to host anymore.

I know for a fact I'd enjoy this game a lot more with no subs in it.

so what most of u want is a slower sub in speed and reload
it can't use smoke and when its on the surface it is a papier boat

then what dos a sub player have

a long grinde to get to a good ss (the bad ss exp)
only 1 shot at a bb if u can get near them (becos bb will run at 40 knots)
if u miss no splash damage
no more safty in smoke then also no smoke for db/tb and gun defence
(just shoot at a sub in smoke u can still hit)
and even better asw so all low lvl subs dont have a rats chance

and still u want ss to fight ss when there is no asw in the game
and all cv to scout while there are sometimes 6/10 bb whith no scouts in game

guys its a game use what u got to play whith and stop crying at ss/cv/bb/dd/cl/ca/ff

My answer is not, subs are nerfed enought, i think they are good like they are now.

I'm a BB driver, and i hate to be sunk by a sub, but most of the time it is my fault or
my team fault. This is a team game, and it is unfortunate that many players do not
see it that way. My Z99 DD lvl 25 can sunk easily 3 or 4 SS4 lvl 74 per game, and i
dont think that's unfair.

What i do miss is more little ships doing anti-ss war instead of suicide after 30
seconds.

"@Kilaenots the speed nerf its a joke, have you tryed reach an enemy BB with a SS1 or a SS2 ?"

Capping the speed at 35/36 would make no difference to a ss1 or 2.

Also, I suggested increasing air, so you can stay down longer making it easier for ss1/2.

"and if you can't sink him on the first load of torps (the most common) you
must chase him"

Hence the choice of torps, where you can load super torps which will kill a bb in 1 salvo.

"dont like the idea of remove the smoke on the SS"

No good player likes smoke, do I need to say any more.

I want ss to become skilled, preditors of the deep, creeping into battle lines hiding till
they can cause mayhem, rather than the current debarcle that mainly involves ffffffffff,
space and smoke.

Wulfman, this is just some questions about the teamplay and the balance of the game,
nothing more then that.
I made the grind to ss4 in ijn and km, i'm talking here about ss4 ( by the way the km
ss1 is really funny to play in an ASW mode)

What I don't understand is if BB players hate SS so much, why don't they open more
of the BB ONLY games?

NF provides a BB only and a BB/CA only setup. That way BB players can just
bombard each other without those pesky SS or CVs harassing them.

what about the snorkel idea?

can only snorkel at 5 or less knots, and can be seen by surface ships?

and if thats OP'd, make it so the sub cant use air, but cant recharge while snorkeling.

OR: quadruple sub reload, double air, and add snorkel.