@CommanderR

I feel you want to make TB's even more useless >_>

Which reminds me TB->SS, DB->BB.

Calm down Challen, so far severn has told most of the people in this tread that din't
agree, that they know nothing of game balance. Apparentlly he knows best LOL...

SK pretty much said what I wanted to say. There are so many ways to defend
against SS and DB's aswell. BB's have a T-slot, use it. Instead ppl go around with 2
extra repairs instead which is overpowered against players with AA/HH in their T-
slots.

Then they get sunk by SS or bombers and make whine treads, Nerf this, nerf that to
make the game more enjoyable for them, not the rest.

Same way a 6-4 rep & 4-6 engy is overpowered against other 4engy/4repair ships.
So is SS against ppl with these configurations.

@challen

agree...there too much things to do to not be sunk by subs but some BB player want
nothigng to change on their BBs which are setup only for BB vs BB fight...they don큧
put enough bulge because they could be few knots slower, they dont bring escort to
battle to see subs, they dont pu HHs on their BBs, they dont call team mates to help
him...but only cry if this noobs were sunk by subs...

I큟 BB and SS player. I know what are able SS4 with hight level crew to do, but if
Im on BB
I usualy don큧 prepare my BB agains subs (don큧 put enough bulge, don큧 put HH,
don큧 bring escort etc) BUT I don큧 cry if Im sunk by subs because it is always
primary MY FAULT if I큟 sunk by sub...Because there is too much things to do
agains sub but I choose to be not prepared then I can not cry...only I can cry for my
mistakes and not about enemy sub which exploit all my mistake...

Commanderr, if you check trainworld, IJN has the most effective bulge at a value of
100.
US is second most effective at a value of 94. KM is actually the least effective of the
original nations at a value of 84 IIRC.

"The point is, the rock paper scissors model in Navyfield isn't Auto win. Congrats in not
having common sense.

Obviously you have no idea regarding game balance, haven't bothered reading my posts, so
i'll just ignore you in future."
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My idea of game balance is not a biased view of giving BB's ASW qualities because SS and
ASW gameplay are one dimensional and boring. No matter how much you may not want NavyFIELD
to be an MMO, it is still in fact an MMO.

Aside from that, your post appears to be nothing more than "I lost the debate, so this is
me saving face for my ONF groupies."

Since I'm a good sport, here's a free tip. If you want your BB able to see subs with no
ASW in the area, then create an escort. It's not hard mate... In fact there might be a
tutorial around with pop-out pictures if you search for it.

Better Idea Dont Nerf Sub Just buff bulge

IJN bb6 with 1.5 belt and 255 bulge can take over 20 torps from a hei type

I think We just need to buff bulge... All nation should 2x-3x the amount of bulge
damage....

Just throwing around a number
a BB5 has 250 bulge instead of 200 bulge handling 40k damage have it handle 80k+
Still have the same ratio IJN>KM>US>UK for bulge protection i dont know how SN or
MN work...

IJN 120k of damage if it has 250
KM 90k if it has 250
US 80k if it has 250
UK 65k if it has 250

some players use no bulge and opt for more deck so when a sub comes they will be
sorry... Also in doing this less people will want to play subs i think you should unerf
the exp loss for using a sub and bring it back to normal...

Also belive it or not make BB bulge better would make subs go after smaller targets
like they should such as AA boats.

Also a BB could still die from the Splash damage if it was only using .2 belt
BB dont use HH because they rely on the smaller ships to do that just why bot all BB
use AA... BB will still die from subs but now if a BB5 want to bounce 00s off a Hei type
it could just like if a l2 want to AW it can...

Too many people cried even when there were restrictions on clanstacking #s.
Allowing clanstacking again will not happen in GB2 because of the mechanics of the split.
Gb1s are too few and far between for this to work.

@gt, ewood

agree with both... This is the main problem in NF... most used mode - GB not support
teamplay then there is lot of crying about scouting, subs, CVs, BBs etc and
calling "team mates" like retards... In GB it is not about OP subs...it is about that
there is very little teamplay = subs can easily be BB killer...

But again...who cares about GB? In GBs is more things to be frustrated than subs...
and if we nerf subs will be GBs realy better? I don큧 think so...

How to increase teamplay? Let me play on the same side as my fleetmates/friends more often and you'll see
some awesome teamplay. Unfortunately everyone will cry 'stack' and so teamplay will be removed again. The
only teamplay is in fleet events. Lets not try to pretend otherwise

"How we can increase teamplay in GBs?"

Remove the imposed restrictions on fleets playing together in GBs.

@lj NF is team based or individual based game? Because ifthere is good team play
there is very little space for subs to be successful because in good teamplay ASW
can easily eliminate subs...

For example in HA, Fleet league, fleet vs all battles subs ARE not overpowed
because good team take care and their ASW are prepared to fight agains subs and
good played ASW in team could eliminate every enemy subs...

And who care if are subs BB killer in GBs? It is not because subs are OP but it is
because in GB IS NOT TEAMPLAY and BBs not cooperate with ASW...

I think that main problem with subs IS NOT their power but problem is that in most
played mode (Great Battles) IS NOT TEAMPLAY...and it is not problem only with subs
but also with scouting, fighter covering etc...

If we find solution how to increase teamplay in most played mode then there will be
no problem and no cry about subs because in the modes where is good teamplay
are subs no huge problem because team take care and is prepared for this.

How we can increase teamplay in GBs?