I think users of all classes should be allowed to enjoy WaW exp and there are many things that could be done about that instead a rigid "no". I see many intolerance about SSs, also see SS players saying "i want to play WaW" without giving alternatives.

Just think objectively about it. What is the problem of allowing SS on WaWs?

1-You can't see them? Well, you have other SSs in your team, CVs can also carry sonar ... That would involve actually team playing, but people in WaW play just arcade, f for fictory and boom, boom, boom. Is that what people really wants?

2-SSs will not shoot between themselves and just evade the other SS and go to farm enemy BBs? Hey, there is a solution for that, fix the exp for SS, give them less exp for sinking BBs and more exp for sinking subs.

3-Once a SS got you and noone will scout it you are dead? Hey, you have HHs for that? But of course, people don't use 2 pair of gunners, they are leveling other sailors on those slots ..., oh, then pay the price in battle. Also BBs are very fast in WaW, you can escape .. No time with the insane reload of SS in WaW? Well, limit it !!! Another thing i was suggesting before.

In my opinion i think there are options to be discussed and changes to be made, just all need a more open mind :)

I don't disagree entirely, and I don't come at it from the stance that subs need to be punished because I'm butthurt about their capabilities.

I think the solution is very simple.  Subs and ASW need to be balanced first.  Once they are in their respective niches with appropriate capabilites they will naturally integrate into other game modes and there will be no forcing necessary.

As it stands right now, there is nothing that amply justifies the overall abilities of subs.  Subs don't need tweaks to shift their abilities around from one area to another, they need an overall decrease to fit in their role.  This can include some buffs to compensate for some nerfs, but the compensation can't be even or there was never any balancing.  With that being said, ASW needs an overall decrease as well.  Hedgehogs are insanely overpowered, premium or not.  ASW needs a multi-tiered approach across more levels like every other ship class in the game.  In fact, ASW and SS are basically matched.  But that does not mean they are balanced with other facets of the game (and as long as there is no incentive to play ASW, SS will naturally dominate their counter).

TL;DR - ASW and SS are both overpowered for their niche in the game.  Bring them both down a few pegs and expand ASW laterally.  When everything fits together no one will feel compelled to exclude anything from any game modes.

1. Balancing subs will still leave them an effective counter to BBs.  Bear in mind that BBs are also countered by BBs.

2. Start your own games and stop whining.  There is an option which allows torps to be included.  If it doesn't start, the majority of players online do not share your opinion.