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  • Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    12. 31. 2013 07:53

Recommend : 15

Telegraph

As the World at War rooms are bb exclusive for the most part just forbid subs from ever entering, like Blitz.
If the general playerbase thinks World at War  should remove the no submarine option, then recommend this thread. It is past the time for World At War to include submarine without discriminating.

War entails RISK, not Molly-Coddling surface ship players.  

Yes I know that NavyField =/= Real Life and this game displays this situational fact everyday. 

Recommend that the No Torp option be removed forever.

CV uses sonar so the argument "we can't see subs" or "we want to use escorts" does not stand. If you are afraid to sail out by yourself, then follow modern military protocol and stay near the carriers.

All that is required is minor behavioral modification and intelligence/strategy application on the part of bb drivers to remain near the sonar equipped surface vessels.

 

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 02. 2014 13:23


bergy

Just another whining thread from the minority of like 3% of the server population.

Stop whining , host your own rooms.

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 02. 2014 13:24


devildog8

Originally Posted by Telegraph

However, if NavyField wants to remain one sided by allowing the No Torp option, then they are just as discriminatory as the old United States with "Whites Only" signs.
 



Quite a bold statment, unless ppl are saying no to a certian kind of person, meaning age,sex, or color of skin, your comment holds absolutly no water, you statment can be used in a lot of battle modes that also have this function, please refrain from using color race themes to prove your unvalid point

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 02. 2014 13:27


bergy

Actually i would like to see a no torp option for every single game mode we have

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 02. 2014 18:32


webster514

You stated in your original post that NavyFIELD is not the same as real life but you then you state that we must follow real life modern day protocols, You contradicted your very own statement thus eliminating 2 statements that you have brought in your defence to remove the no torp option.

You also state tha Modern day protocols mean staying near carriers for protection which is entirely untrue no matter what your defence is for "Modern day",  In 2013 modern day, there are rarely any battleships around since the carrier is much more effective than any battleship and all ships haves sonar. In WWII the only ships with sonar were Figates and Destoryers which were the designated submarine hunters and thus also eliminated your last statement that bbs should remain near vessels with sonar. Sonar does not work on BBs and there is a blind spot on carriers when a sonar is equipped.

You also state that surface ships get a preference over submarines which is untrue, if anything submarines get a preference, and with that preference they are excluded from World At War. Submarines are overpower in Great Battles and can not be killed as easily as one may think. No one wants an uncapped submarine sailing twoards them in any situation. 

 

Originally Posted by Telegraph


Submarines do not have agility or firepower of capitol ships at level.  Submarines DOES NOT HAVE unlimited air supply for perpetual submersion. Submarines are limited by speed reduction while submerged as well as loss in maneuverability.

Remove the No Torp option.



Capital* I normally do not correct people on grammar and spelling but you are using higher vocabularly and should use it correctly. Submarines may not have an unlimited of oxygen but they still remain cappless in terms of speed and are able to reach the bb lines rather quick, even in a Great Battle room they are able to reach the bb line. 

I do not support the option of removing the No Torp option but im also not saying we should allow submarines to roam in every WaW battleroom. Fromage has made a very good statment say that submarines should be fixed, until that day arrives keep the settings the way they currently exist.



  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 02. 2014 21:12


PictWarrior1

Originally Posted by webster514
Sonar does not work on BBs and there is a blind spot on carriers when a sonar is equipped.

 



 

Actually, sonar was never equipped on BBs and only twice in history on a CV, on the sister ships Shokaku and Zuikaku.  However, the sonar was only usable when at very low speed.  Thus my argument that sonar be removed from CVs, since there is no basis in any reality, in any dimensional phase, for sonar to be placed on the world's loudest warship class.  They will only hear themselves. 

 

If this game must place sonar on a CV, it should only be on those two and it should only work at 3 kts or less.  If you want to argue with me, first know that I am a Sonar Technician in the United States Navy, next know that I am a huge naval history buff, and finally know that I never use websites for information because I can rely on my collection of over 300 reference books in my personal library.

 

 

Source for sonar on CVs:

Preston, Antony.  Aircraft Carriers.  Galahad Books.  New York City.  1979  PG 52-53. 

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 03. 2014 02:19


Telegraph

Originally Posted by Mezak76

 


which is the great risk for SS if mostly cant be detected at all?



CV detects sub, WaW helps bb drivers to utilize available resources and the risk comes from "going beyond" the detection area. W a W participants can play Great Battle where escorts are used if it is too risky for you in World at War. As a bb driver you milk the exp system in No Torp rooms.

The risk for SS comes at loss due to HH damage, Torp bombers, air depletion/forced surfacing, and many other factors ALREADY in the game dynamics.

Remove the No Torp option.

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 03. 2014 02:38


Telegraph

Originally Posted by webster514

You stated in your original post that NavyFIELD is not the same as real life but you then you state that we must follow real life modern day protocols, You contradicted your very own statement thus eliminating 2 statements that you have brought in your defence to remove the no torp option.

You also state tha Modern day protocols mean staying near carriers for protection which is entirely untrue no matter what your defence is for "Modern day",  In 2013 modern day, there are rarely any battleships around since the carrier is much more effective than any battleship and all ships haves sonar. In WWII the only ships with sonar were Figates and Destoryers which were the designated submarine hunters and thus also eliminated your last statement that bbs should remain near vessels with sonar. Sonar does not work on BBs and there is a blind spot on carriers when a sonar is equipped.

You also state that surface ships get a preference over submarines which is untrue, if anything submarines get a preference, and with that preference they are excluded from World At War. Submarines are overpower in Great Battles and can not be killed as easily as one may think. No one wants an uncapped submarine sailing twoards them in any situation. 

 

Originally Posted by Telegraph


Submarines do not have agility or firepower of capitol ships at level.  Submarines DOES NOT HAVE unlimited air supply for perpetual submersion. Submarines are limited by speed reduction while submerged as well as loss in maneuverability.

Remove the No Torp option.



Capital* I normally do not correct people on grammar and spelling but you are using higher vocabularly and should use it correctly. Submarines may not have an unlimited of oxygen but they still remain cappless in terms of speed and are able to reach the bb lines rather quick, even in a Great Battle room they are able to reach the bb line. 

I do not support the option of removing the No Torp option but im also not saying we should allow submarines to roam in every WaW battleroom. Fromage has made a very good statment say that submarines should be fixed, until that day arrives keep the settings the way they currently exist.




Capitol - corrected <----

Nice to see that people catch words misspellt.

As for the general gist of your post outside of spelling or grammar usage, just like anything else that requires strategy alteration or behavior modification, removing the No Torp option will add spice to the World at War rooms.

Unless you are just wanting to milk an excessive amount of exp (leveling up gunners and other offensive/attack personnel also used elsewhere in game) without competition from submarines.  Which REALLY is the purpose of No Torp anyways.

Remove the No Torp option.

Mostly bb drivers that enjoy milking the egregious exp are the one's responsible for making no torp rooms. Removing the No Torp option would make the milking a bit more balanced.

Remove the No Torp option.

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 03. 2014 02:40


Telegraph

Originally Posted by devildog8

Originally Posted by Telegraph

However, if NavyField wants to remain one sided by allowing the No Torp option, then they are just as discriminatory as the old United States with "Whites Only" signs.
 



Quite a bold statment, unless ppl are saying no to a certian kind of person, .......



That is what a No Torp option does. If you are going to play politics, play by the rules. I am well within the guidelines thankyou.

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 03. 2014 02:58


fromage

Someone lock this whiney butthurting thread already.

  • Re : Remove the No Torp option from World At War rooms

    01. 03. 2014 03:13


Meastro444

Lol.

I really like the talk about having a 'right' of being in WaW. Delusional at best. If you want to play WaW with Ssubs, host your own. Stop crying when others don't want to play with subs.

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