This thread is stupid.

So here's my opinion in the shortest way possible and then I'll be gone:

SS are overpowered. They're also underpowered. ASW is broken. The SS line is fitted poorly into the original game and should be corrected. This has nothing to do with adapting, nerfing, crying about overpowered, etc, etc. This is about improving an aspect of this game to make it more enjoyable.

DJ out.

1) You do realize I also have more then 3 account lol. Which is why I only used main to show. If i would count mine too, the result would remain the same.

2) Don't worry cracko will back me up on BB play...and not to mention count my other accounts as well lol.

3) 2nd, I'm not the one saying BB are OMG!! overpowered.

Lukas has used the argument "am more awesome then you, you know nothing about game balance. I participated in tournaments and won" countless times against other players.

Now I come here to say I have a similar point of view as those players LJ bashes and using the same arguments LJ used against others...

See how it feels now?

Last but not least, LJ claimed he is a SS player too(having 5 SS4). Look at the rankings of all known true SS players. You will get a even more higher numbers compared to mine.

I don't know if I've ever seen Lukas ignore an argument.



I don't see how that is relevant. Again, the stats number doesn't really prove anything. It is common knowledge that both of you have played the game for quite some time. The specific stats don't prove or disprove that.

And, yes, countless people have talked about how SS are not overpowered. And, ten times that many people have argued that SS are overpowered.

If you would like to diminish the entire argument to "OMG SS overpowered, NERF NOW!!!", then that's fine. I will just diminish your entire argument to "OMG I CAN'T WIN WITHOUT OVERPOWERED CONTENT. IT'S UNFAIR FOR YOU TO NERF". We can call it a day and move on.



So, you state that your stats don't show you are as good as me at BB, but you want to clarify and say that they are sufficient. And, you explain that you have other ships and mostly play CV.

Then, you say that stats don't show the whole story.

Then, to top it off, you say that Lukas' stats tell you enough about his SS play that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The circle you have driven yourself in to make your argument sound while disputing my claim is funny.

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As for Lukas having subs thing, that is used specifically because of people like you that talk about how Lukas can't possibly know about SS because he is an elitist BB player.

He freaking brings it up because people bash him and the ships he plays. Then, he points out that he has all of the relevant ships and the argument is stupid. It has happened half a dozen times in the past couple weeks. People can't possibly fathom that someone with a sub would want to nerf them and they say some combination of "have you even played a sub?" or "do you know how hard it is to level in a sub?" or whatever.

It's the same argument used when someone wants to nerf a BB6. ZOMG, YOU JUST WANT TO NERF SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE!

And, here you are using that same argument while admonishing him. Instead of using the argument, why not combat the balance points about subs? You haven't done that at all other than a few sentences about HH and DC. And stuff about learning to adapt, which is a great refrain.

If you have an evidence send support ticket - this is right way what you have to do if you have some doubt about breaking forum rules.


ljsevern and musasyRo please stop personal attacks.

If this topic will continue with this trend will be locked.

Thanks

5 x SS4's you say?

In one account I have 2 SS4 and take a closer look at this:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5673/rankingqk.png

It's obvious you don't have enough experience playing ss, nor playing against SS. Yet, you are here claiming to be the all knowing and that SS are overpowered.

If you put 1000 pounds on one end of a scale and a 1000 pounds more on the other side, it's still balanced. It doesn't have to be 10 pounds on one side and 10 pounds on the other.
Powerfull SS with powerfull ASW opens the chance for fleets to develop great strategies.(both offensively and defensively)

Ask BS on how to easily counter SS in a HA. Ask CS on how to use SS in a strategic way. If you remove SS's powerfull capabilities, you lower the fear factor it creates and prevent strategic use of the SS.

What do you ppl want?, an SS that can't even kill the prey(BB) it was designed to be able to kill?

DP/S so low a BB could survive 2 wave of torps and run away to safety?

DC are good, all a ff or dd needs to do is get in, dodge the torps and hump the SS. Once the SS is humped, the SS can critical all it wants, he will need to surface sometime. If it has HE flak, then it probably sacrificed it's ability to repair effectively and will probably die if it gets shot by a BB.

The SS that perform so good in GB always uses 120 crew. So the argument about level and exp. differences isn't as relevant as you make it out to be. SS4 also uses level 120 crew.

SS4 is currently the end game "ship" for the SS line. If you say SS4 needs a slight nerf so that SS5 fits in better, then yes.

Try the word ADAPT once in awhile instead of the word NERF...

And in the end...the battleship was no more. Rusting and sinking to the bottom of the sea. The submarine and aircraft carrier rule supreme.