What you want from rock? to be able beat all what is under your level and any classes? I prefer RPS system where every classes have to cooperate together for team success....I dont like battles where highl level "rock" is able rape whole enemy team...

Then it's not a team.

This is not heavy RPS - Subs can still kill ASW, and BB's have every tool ASW has to kill subs. Even without using those tools, its not uncommon for a BB to outwit or outrun a submerged sub. The only heavy RPS is when a BB goes up against ASW. Do you think that should be changed to make ASW more competitive against BB's?

You are correct - Since this is in fact a team game, we don't need to balance subs.

Rock should be able to beat paper and scissors based on skill not just because he is rock and they are not rock. There should be both team work and individual skill, not just one.



When I said heavy RPS I did not mean that it perfectly fit with RPS. With current balance, yes rock can beat paper, but it only occurs when the paper is terrible or fails pretty badly. You can't say it isn't heavy RPS because of what happens with bad players. Currently a skilled BB player has little chance against a skilled sub, a skilled sub has little chance against a skilled PHH user. That is heavy RPS, and needs to change.



You're missing the point, and you are assuming that BBs with PHH don't count as ASW. ASW is not just a ship type, but a weapon. The point is that ship class and setup should not be what decides the outcome of an engagement. A ship that has ASW should be competitive with all ships of its tier. Players should not be forced to make a choice about what ship they will own, and what ship will own them.

you mix apples with oranges...

balance ships in same cathegory is OK because their role should be same in team...

but you can not balance ship across the ship class because each class have different role in team...due to this should be possible that lower lever ship from one ship class is more efficient agains higher level ship from other ship class but less efficient agains lower level from another ship class...

If SKILLED BB players have less chance agains SKILLED SS it is OK because SS is mainly BB killer... But skilled BB player can beat less skilled SS player and this is OK because win more skill...Same way can low level BBs beat higher level BB or CV beat BBs or opposite...

If both players have same skill then should be OK that ship which have bigger advantages above enemys ship win the battle...

For example...same skilled ASW and SS players...in this case should have better chance to win ASW players because his ship is designed like SS killer...

I agree that one ship type should give an advantage of another, but it should not be too extreme. There needs to be some RPS aspect to make things interesting on a team level. But I feel that currently there is too much of an advantage from ship class, and a lot of re-balance proposals make it worse. I am mostly arguing that we need to be careful with RPS style balance, because the closer you get to perfect RPS, the less depth and fun there is in individual engagements.

This is simply not true. A BB 1v1 against a sub, the sub has very little chance to survive simply due to the fact that it requires his team to scout for him. In GB2, a skilled BB player will force the sub to start using air supply as soon as possible and utilize patience and situational awareness to ensure their impact is minimal.


So the fact that BB's can carry PHH AND have escorts are overpowered because you said it yourself... Skilled PHH beats skilled sub. In this case - Rock beats paper and scisscors effortlessly.

That is exactly the point behind setting up your BB however you want. Really it just sounds like want a ship that can kill everything.

Umm... a skilled sub can avoid PHH by critdiving the the second it fires a torp volley... because he knows he just exposed his general location and people will PHH/HH the area.