Thanks for your valuable contribution to the thread. Not one reasonable statement and just bashing people and ideas. Brilliant.

As a player who started playing this game with the sole ambition to be the nastiest TW in existence, I am well aware of that fact. I don't agree, but those are our opinions.


No they won't, unless the sub has been lit up before he fires. At that point, the BB will most likely get the "torpedo warning" just in time to have them detonate against his hull. I've had to practice at that close range kind of combat in sub VS sub warfare, as well as close quarters shot against BBs trying to guess where I am so they can park on top of me (which seldom works BTW).


Which they already have with torps the way they are.

Not really. It's all math to me, angles and so forth, and I've always done quite well with math.
No it wouldn't be awesome to have every nations BB6. I seriously doubt I'll ever have a single one. Why? Because I find BB play BORING. Always have, always will.


Actually, I didn't miss your point, you missed mine.
A sub that doesn't rush has to depend on being able to intercept an enemy sub, if there even is one on the other team (not always a given). They have to be able to accurately guage where that enemy sub started from, where it's likely to go to, and then hope and pray that IF that sub is coming anywhere near them (1 in 4 chance), that it doesn't fall victim to the dozen of so ASW capable ships before it even gets in range.
A sub on the defensive does one thing: scouts for enemy subs with sonar. It likely will not be in a position to attack, and will gain nothing for that game.
As for picking off an enemy ship doing a fictory run, don't make me laugh. They don't last long enough for a sub to even know where they are, much less move to intercept.
If a sub goes into no-mans land, it stands a better than even chance of not having the air to return, and that's assuming the battle lines don't move, which they invariably do.

Then there's the good ol' XP nerf, so that if a sub doesn't hit a BB or better target, they get 1k XP for a game. It's up to you, but that's a bit on the low side.

On your reply to Cracko's post: did you actually read it?

So your admitting a defenseless BB without any support should be equally matched to an SS(supposevly a anti-BB ship)?

Just LOL xD



LOL, anybody with a commun sense that reads cracko's battle analysis will say otherwise. A part of it is even supported by the pic I put a couple of pages ago. xD

The "skilled SS leveled d_ron style" SS players have spoken. SS are overpowered OMG, need nerf NOW!!!

Apparently I can only win with overpowered content cuz apparently I only play SS and not all the BB lines and CV lines of almost every nation I have(not leveled d_ron style).

SS are powerful, that's all there is to it.

See ya girls byeee ^,^

1v1 doesn't work well in NF with any ship type due to basic game mechanics, mostly do to the fact that either of us could just run all game. If you were in a BB with no ASW like I said, all you would do is run from me all game. That isn't fun for either of us. All a BB can do is run away and that is neither fun for the sub or the BB player. This game should be fun.

In a real team battle, you can still run away, but in doing so you hurt your team.



I agree with this. The point that I am trying to stress is that the advantages and disadvantages cannot be too large otherwise game play in individual engagements becomes predictable and boring.

We really should stop arguing about the flaws in the current system. We should be discussing what we want in the end product of balance, then take steps to get there.

TBH, I'd like to leave subs as they are and just give incentive to people running ASW instead of AA. More ASW and less AA... win/win.

I bet you would.

Wow, you actually made a point for balancing subs and ASW. Kudos to you.

Seems like those in charge will not be convinced though. It's similar to my argument that TEAMWORK is what balances everything, not different classes in 1v1.

Those who dislike SS will still push for their nerf though. Let's just hope the NF devs have more sense than that.

Team work will lessen the effect of unbalanced content, but that doesn't mean it should always be the sole remedy. ASW is a real hard counter to any SS (unless it's 1vs1 when the sub can just surface to avoid HH damage instead of crit diving). I don't like hard counters. Between nations, UK for example is supposed to counter KM in many tiers because of armour and KM's inherent weakness to armour. However, that doesn't mean UK will always win against a KM ship.

Same should go for SS and ASW. It's wrong that SS can die by just one salvo of HHs from a ship with a much lower level, and BBs of the same level shouldn't be as easy to kill by subs as some are now. I'd like to see sub gameplay become more interesting and fun, and that means buffing subs in some aspects, while nerfing others.

PS: The sense of NF devs is very limited, otherwise they would have properly balanced and tested the whole sub line, before putting it on the server.