I dunno, I've tried to look at ships to see if they have PHH/HH loaded, but its hard to tell. I find it easier to learn the hard way, then make note of the player that uses PHH/HH on their BB for next time.

Subs have sonar to scout for themselves. A BB relies on his team to scout the sub for him.
A BB with no ASW has no chance against a sub unless someone can scout it for them.



Exactly my point? This needs to be rebalanced.



Customization is about choosing a play-style, not who you want to win against and lose against. If you don't want that, than go play RPS. Every ship in this game has potential kill every other ship, but it is too heavy of RPS currently, and that is bad. Sounds like you want to be able to get easy kills on ships, rather than using skill to outplay your enemy.

Oh really... I'd love to test this with you - Do you have SS4 to test against a BB3?

You should understand that by choosing a playstyle whether its AW, SW, PHH and AA, you are giving yourself a competive advantage against specific ships while reducing your effectiveness vs. others.

And yes - I do like getting easy kills on ships. You should also understand that part of skill is knowing when you can go in to get those easy kills.

rofl




double rofl

you know you can use gradual right?why would you waste all in one shot if you can slowly place shots in line keeping the sub crit dived or waiting for him to think the volley is over and continue the attack? Ive killed so many subs like this lol...from the time subs were released Ive never had any serious trouble with them.Only thing that needs to be seriously changed is the normal HHs, because 2x reload time over PHHs is kinda too much...and people motivating with argument lvl 75-80 ship shouldnt kill a lvl 120 ship are wrong because a lvl 1 FF can kill any lvl sub its just that most people dont care about sub hunting and its not being encouraged(bonus exp?)...its not for nothing 99% of capital ships were escorted by DDs because they knew how devastating can a sub attack be if it goes unseen.

This continues, lol.

I played this battle yesterday, the only one i played with BB6, half of supports with no experts.
2 SS4s and 1 SS3 tried to rush me all together and the nub subs in my team were all north. Despite of that they were killed becausse JUST ONE DD in my team did his job staying with me, my HHs helped too.
I laugh at all who say that subs are overpowered, only one DD was needed to scout those subs and they just were food, all of them with 4 golds. 1 DD + 1 BB owned 3 high lvl subs easy.

http://i56.tinypic.com/osrg2u.jpg

Keep breaking the game balances like you did with Charlemagne. I maybe played like 12 battlles since the patch with it, half of them making more of 300k per GB. People is asking since YEARs a buff for H44 ... NOTHING has been made about it in YEARS, its so hard to give him 1 more knot and problem solved? ... but no problem in giving 42 knots to a BB6 for making this abomination.

Many very important things to do, but it seems it is much important to nerf the subs, mr. lj doesnt like them becausse there are many fleets that use them far better than yours, so instead adapting the solution is nerfing, a nerfing that will be mostly done by old BB drivers obviusly.


Oh, do you have many SS4s? Really? Leveled up d_ron style. Let me quote what did you say about him:





And you dont know how to play subs, many of old BB drivers like you dont know how to play them .. but you cry they are overpowered and you want to nerf them ... lol. Any experienced SS4 with lvl120 crew doesnt make more average damage than a experienced BB3 with lvl120 crew, but obviously you dont know that because u dont know subs so well as you think. Average damage is more or less the same in a SS4 than in a BB3 with lvl120 crews, that means SS4s are not overpowered, what more proofs you want ?????


Anyways seeing the work made with the charlemagne ... well , who knows what are going to happen with the sub nerf, lol. I expect any thing. Maybe if you continue playing with game balances touching everything you will create the "fire", that beats rocks, papers, and scissors, who knows.

My points are clear, for those who wanted to read them.

Im done with this thread.

Bye, bye ^^

And IF that DD had not been there to do "his job"?
Using one example of success does not change the fact that subs need to be balanced.
"Bye Bye ^^"

Oh right - Because 1 ship should be autowin... right heatrr?