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  • Scouts be gone

    09. 28. 2011 13:34

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FalleNStaR

 Get rid of scouts. Fold them into fighters. Make the area of sight around the bb or other ship reasonably big enough as per technologies of the day, binoculars, telescope, sonar, radar. Now bbs and all other ships spot their own targets. CV's can now enjoy doing what CVs should do in this game use their fighters and bombers to help team but mostly just to actually have fun.

 

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 08:14


TSLordPred
[QUOTE=FalleNStaR]

Tell me how a WWII destroyer or cruiser could realistically get a BB into its gun range without a BB noticing it?

Filling up a Z99 or Moltke with engies and then border-humping the fog isn't what I consider skill.


this actually was done during WWII when the Japanese performed a night battle with the US using destroyers vs CAs and BB's. The result was the US fleet was caught off guard and had heavy damage inflicted. During this time frame US radar was very crude and unreliable. Review history before posting anymore ignorant posts.

Battle of Savo island. The US forces consisting of CA's, Cl's and DD's were surprised and sunk by IJN long lance torps fired by Destroyers and Gunfire from CA's and support ships.



"Yes this is so much simpler.....just built a super-scout that dominates every other plane in the game

Instead of simply deleting scouts we should, as you propose, just add a whole new ship line with new planes, which of course don't sound over powered what so ever with T2 local fire power and T5 speed and armored enough to deter existing T4. May as well scrap every other CV line.

So these ubber scouts who can spank all other game planes become the new US T4s

Well thought out..."



If you actually look what i said its a scout thats a little faster and durable but not able to take out anything higher then a T2 fighter. Instead of replying back with elementary attempts at comebacks, please actually take 3 seconds to formulate your thoughts before you make yourself look even dumber (which is pretty hard at this point.)

You started this thread with your whining about the scouts. To try to insult people when they point out the flaws in your reasoning is all together stupid. Before you respond to anyone else i suggest that first you actually read some history books, realize that on this game, history has no meaning for the ships ( i mean come on the texas was a BB not a CL) and yes cv tenders were used to compliment the cvs and bbs. they provided a higher tier scout/recon but not a fighter itself. The fact history already proved your statements false just shows how ignorant you are of WWII events. Please, I beg you, no more stupid comments for I fear we will all come down to you IQ lvl and be a drueling, stuttering, ignorant player.

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 08:26


TSLordPred
Like Bulldog, I too have a bb and cv. I have a us bb5 and UK pcv which I ground up myself. I have provided sight only for fail bb's to lose the game because of poor shooting, I also have been a bb while the cvs were being selfish. All those end in losses. Wins come by TEAMWORK... My CV has 6FP and 2TB pilots. I only bomb when the game is about over to help finish off the fleet. Providing sight is the hardest thing a cv can do because AA boats are not killed. If you want to be a skilled CV player.. stop BW and actually learn your role. Try Micro Managing 30-40 FPs in the air at the same time. If you are a bb driver... again hit the aa boats please.. and if u have sight, feel free to NOT miss the other BB's.. :D

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 09:57


heatrr
Originally Posted by TSLordPred

If you are a bb driver... again hit the aa boats please.. and if u have sight, feel free to NOT miss the other BB's.. :D


This coming from the same guy that fails at DBing and TBing? Just asking... =.=

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 10:08


TSLordPred
Originally Posted by heatrr

Originally Posted by TSLordPred

If you are a bb driver... again hit the aa boats please.. and if u have sight, feel free to NOT miss the other BB's.. :D


This coming from the same guy that fails at DBing and TBing? Just asking... =.=




hmmm i dont db anyway so cool story bro...

i TB only when i need to because i mainly provide sight and fc like im supposed to as a CV..

again... who are you? and why should I care?

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 10:09


Rehor
CV: If your team can't see any red dots, where are your planes?

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 01. 2011 17:26


aingeal
Originally Posted by Rehor

CV: If your team can't see any red dots, where are your planes?


Answering form :


Please check one of the following :

[ ] Borderhumping
[ ] Scouting blue dots
[ ] All dead (happens...sometimes)
[ ] Planes?

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 02. 2011 16:20


shamo
fallenstar is right. that is an issue.

but instead of getting rid of scouts the solution is to make them faster and more resiliant .

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 03. 2011 09:36


TSLordPred
Originally Posted by shamo

fallenstar is right. that is an issue.

but instead of getting rid of scouts the solution is to make them faster and more resiliant .



he isnt right. all you do is create more opportunites for players to whine and take all the skill out of the game. if you increase the bb range all that does is let all the cv's become bw's. CV play has always been about micromanagement of your planes and fc along with providing sight. bw is a nice option to have but useless if your teams bbs cant see due to the fact there scouts are constantly shot down. Im sorry if you want to be a bw and have selfish gameplay there are select rooms you can play. In GB's you cannot be a selfish player and expect to win since it heavily relies on teamwork.

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 03. 2011 13:22


Elliot2lazy
Originally Posted by Bulldog35

Well I can tell you that in NF 90% of the time sight wins games. As a cv driver and a bb driver I can tell you I can see both sides of the discussion. 1st as a cv if you start out bombing odds are your BBs are going to be blind 30 seconds into the first part of the battle sad but true due to AA boats, fighters, or BB AA. This is suppose to be a team based game. CV gives sight to BBs and get control on the airspace above the enemy, BBs provide the main fight in the battle (though I wish they would shoot the AA boats when they get a chance) CVs are a support role if your averaging 140-150k attack in a CV every game then you were leaving your BBs blind most of the fight. But hey who cares right BBs have scouts they should use them if they want sight, problem is between fighting other BBs dodging AA fire and the other teams fighters and the fact that they only carry 5 or less unless it's IJN it's a challenge in itself but hey NF saw the problem and gave BBs T5 scouts but wait cvs don't like them because they are fast have great fuel and great sight and can stay out of range of AA fire and still provide sight for themselves so CVs can bomb their little heart out. Now the nerf hammer comes out again so the BBs are having to trust the cvs to at least help scout again.I have 1 of those evil PCVs I saw mentioned earlier in this thread and yes it's a US cv but I had to grind it there just like everyone else in the game. I'm sorry that T2 fighter can't hang with a T4 fighter but hey we are talking 40 lvl difference here but I still was able to scout for the team by controlling my fighters and staying out of the way of those higher lvl fighters, but due to scouting for my team I was able to lvl just fine in a FW cv.
BBs we aren't off the hook ing this one either, riding along and just watching AA boats chew up the friendly fighters isn't helping your cause. I know everyone wants to be the hero but you can't just shoot at the BBs only if you see a AA boat in range feel free to shoot it. That will give the Cvs an easier time scouting and maybe if everything works out they can still get some bombing in while providing sight. Too many BBs want to throw a bad game on CVs because they couldn't see for 10 seconds, but hey sorry if you can't see don't rush in.

I as a cv6 driver and bb6 driver can tell this guy is telling it the way it is.

  • Re : Scouts be gone

    10. 04. 2011 20:36


JAYFEATHER
Thank god that someone here knows what CVs have to go through and i understand the BBs side that they have alot to do other then scouting and thank you for pointing out the fact that they need to hit the AA ships whenever possible to help with the scouts. a CV cant scout if the flak is to heavy. But myself i found was good was get bombers go to a location bomb a ship there and keep the bombers above the tgt to provide sight that sometime kills two birds with one stone especially if you have 2 dbs and 2 tbs.

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