Re : Scouts be gone
10. 04. 2011 21:39

SSN762

Somebody's already 'splained the math regarding the range of a Naval rifle and the line of sight but lets not forget that line of sight is to the horizon and doesn't mean clear site to identify a target or adjust fire.

Asking ANYONE to believe that spotter on a mast swinging in the churning ocean 300 feet above the center-line of a ship maneuvering in combat is WAY off base. Some of these ships would heel over 12 to 20 degrees in a tight turn which translates to a 60-120 foot pendulum swing. Even on a calm clear day sitting still, at 23 miles you could not adjust fire.

No way to tell if the rounds are 100-500 meters short and if they're falling BEHIND that target, the ship itself obscures the impact.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 04. 2011 21:40

SSN762	But, as an SS driver at heart, by all means do away with scouts plz. Muahahahaha

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 04. 2011 22:20

aingeal

Originally Posted by SSN762

Somebody's already 'splained the math regarding the range of a Naval rifle and the line of sight but lets not forget that line of sight is to the horizon and doesn't mean clear site to identify a target or adjust fire.

Asking ANYONE to believe that spotter on a mast swinging in the churning ocean 300 feet above the center-line of a ship maneuvering in combat is WAY off base. Some of these ships would heel over 12 to 20 degrees in a tight turn which translates to a 60-120 foot pendulum swing. Even on a calm clear day sitting still, at 23 miles you could not adjust fire.

No way to tell if the rounds are 100-500 meters short and if they're falling BEHIND that target, the ship itself obscures the impact.

horizon is the line of sight in sky clear conditions.

Works for every waves there is. Radio, light (vision) etc.

Why would they bother setting communication towers on mountains otherwise ;)

Originally Posted by JAYFEATHER

Thank god that someone here knows what CVs have to go through and i understand the BBs side that they have alot to do other then scouting and thank you for pointing out the fact that they need to hit the AA ships whenever possible to help with the scouts. a CV cant scout if the flak is to heavy. But myself i found was good was get bombers go to a location bomb a ship there and keep the bombers above the tgt to provide sight that sometime kills two birds with one stone especially if you have 2 dbs and 2 tbs.

Whoever told you a BB have so much to do it cannot keep managing his scout is a dumb idiot, doubled by a noob BB prolly.

Scout managing is a key BB skill to have, as if you keep visual, you stay alive. CV are needed to back this and ensure the scout doesnt have to fly into a wave of enemy fighters. But if you are good at managing your scout, you are harder to blind, and you are at less risk of running out of scouts in game.

We do try to shoot AA boat you know. They kill our scouts too. Sadly, between a BB5 and an AA boat in range, the BB5 will take the hit. Mainly because it means I'm also in his range so he is a direct threat to me, compared to the indirect one the AA boat represent.

Many good AAers stay behind the BB lines and are out of ranges also. We don't fire cruise missiles you know, we have a range limitation.

As far as the use of bomber as limited scouts, if you judge it tactically useful, sure. Especially as you said, TBs.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 04. 2011 23:23

JAYFEATHER	im hust saying they do have a lot on there plate they have to constantly adjust fire, manuver to avoid attacks, keep on the lookout for more targets and then if they have scouts they need to scout. BBs have a lot to do i can see why some of them depend on CVs.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 04. 2011 23:26

JAYFEATHER	And I know that bettween a BB5 or a AA ship the BB5 takes priority but ive seen many BB5 an 6s shell a BB1 or a CA when theres a moltike full of AA right beside them and wonder why they cant get vision.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 05. 2011 11:54

SSN762

Originally Posted by aingeal

horizon is the line of sight in sky clear conditions.

Works for every waves there is. Radio, light (vision) etc.

Why would they bother setting communication towers on mountains otherwise ;)

Being able to see the horizon and being able to identify and adjust fire on ANYTHING on that horizon is another matter. Next time you see that tiny little plane in the sky making those contrails, remember that its only roughly 6 miles away and one quarter the size of an Iowa class ship. Naval guns can have effective ranges of over 20 miles

You're lying to yourself if you think you're going to accurately judge if something is 100 meters or 1000 meters short of that target.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 12. 2011 14:01

FalleNStaR

Originally Posted by TSLordPred

Originally Posted by shamo

fallenstar is right. that is an issue.

but instead of getting rid of scouts the solution is to make them faster and more resiliant .

he isnt right. all you do is create more opportunites for players to whine and take all the skill out of the game. if you increase the bb range all that does is let all the cv's become bw's. CV play has always been about micromanagement of your planes and fc along with providing sight. bw is a nice option to have but useless if your teams bbs cant see due to the fact there scouts are constantly shot down. Im sorry if you want to be a bw and have selfish gameplay there are select rooms you can play. In GB's you cannot be a selfish player and expect to win since it heavily relies on teamwork.

How dense are you? Opportunities for whining? Take out skill from the game?

With my suggestion BB's are no longer blind and BB players can win BECAUSE of skill and not because of blindness. More tbs and dbs to dodge? Again BB's will win BECAUSE of their AWARENESS and SKILL. Also, CVs would then get to play whatever setup they want, however they want. No more auto-loss for the team who got the BW CV5.

CVs finally get to play FREELY and attack and protect BBs and each other.

The only reason BB's wouldn't want this is for what you said your afraid of; you don't want to get bombed. Its the only reason BB players want to keep the FW games there are now; more FTR, less chance of being bombed. BBs hate being bombed. But guess what, it takes SKILL to coordinate and time a good DB or TB strike facing enemy FTRs and memory bogging AA.

Cats out of the bag. Your whining. And the only reason your whining is because your afraid of a change that would require skill.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 12. 2011 14:51

DeadEye1989

With that logic only the more BB friendly nations will succeed, Nations like KM and IJN that rely on their ability to blind the enemy with superior AA then move in for the shot will be useless. And smaller BB's can't rely on sneaking in on a bigger target if the big bad bb5 will be able to see him at all times and take him out before he can get in range. Blinding the enemy is a skill needed by all BB's, big and small, even those with lackluster AA guns as UK. Most BB players will negate this skill and rely on CV's for FC. If a BB does that it shouldn't be up to the CV to do as the BB player says, most just do since they have the crazy idea that teamwork will win the round. But what your asking is to take a whole skill level out of the game, making NF more drab and less friendly to the lower level players and making BB5-6 players able to sit and see everything just cause they 'earned' their sight which is utter non-sense. Earning sight for BB is like earning instant Launch times for CV5-6's. It just would kill gameplay.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 12. 2011 15:04

aingeal

Originally Posted by FalleNStaR

Originally Posted by TSLordPred

Originally Posted by shamo

fallenstar is right. that is an issue.

but instead of getting rid of scouts the solution is to make them faster and more resiliant .

he isnt right. all you do is create more opportunites for players to whine and take all the skill out of the game. if you increase the bb range all that does is let all the cv's become bw's. CV play has always been about micromanagement of your planes and fc along with providing sight. bw is a nice option to have but useless if your teams bbs cant see due to the fact there scouts are constantly shot down. Im sorry if you want to be a bw and have selfish gameplay there are select rooms you can play. In GB's you cannot be a selfish player and expect to win since it heavily relies on teamwork.

How dense are you? Opportunities for whining? Take out skill from the game?

With my suggestion BB's are no longer blind and BB players can win BECAUSE of skill and not because of blindness. More tbs and dbs to dodge? Again BB's will win BECAUSE of their AWARENESS and SKILL. Also, CVs would then get to play whatever setup they want, however they want. No more auto-loss for the team who got the BW CV5.

CVs finally get to play FREELY and attack and protect BBs and each other.

The only reason BB's wouldn't want this is for what you said your afraid of; you don't want to get bombed. Its the only reason BB players want to keep the FW games there are now; more FTR, less chance of being bombed. BBs hate being bombed. But guess what, it takes SKILL to coordinate and time a good DB or TB strike facing enemy FTRs and memory bogging AA.

Cats out of the bag. Your whining. And the only reason your whining is because your afraid of a change that would require skill.

Scout managing, and being aware of unscouted BBs being there, managing your own ships without giving too much ground if blind, but without being killed, identifying a blinding opportunity are part of a BB players skills to have.

Its not only being able to rush on, or be a master of linefight, altough its a big part of it, the best BB players you'll see are first and furthermost masters and playing the battlefield well.

Re : Scouts be gone
10. 12. 2011 19:10

FalleNStaR