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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 12. 2006 10:50

Terriles
INTERESTING......ITALIAN SUBMARINE FOCA CLASS

http://uboat.net/allies/warships/class.html?ID=558

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 12. 2006 10:43

Rengokuy
http://warships.web4u.cz/typy.php?language=E&stat=FRA
there are lots of good line drawigns here, if someone can tell me how, Ill gladly put them on.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 14:20

Rengokuy
*Added Lyon Class

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 14:05

Rengokuy
I have written them down, hopefully my Professor will find a way for me to get thoses
(Free book la la la laaa) Thank you

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 14:00

Shrike
Jane's Fighting Ships of World War II is a cheaper alternative, but it isn't as rich in
information as Conway's/

http://www.amazon.com/Janes-Fighting-Ships-World-War/dp/0517679639/sr=8-
1/qid=1165873827/ref=sr_1_1/104-7247500-5817517?ie=UTF8&s=books

It is basically the 1946 edition of Jane's with some information on previous classes
thrown in. It is entirely technical details and generally does not provide you with
information on how classes underwent change (for example, additional AA
armament). What Jane's does have over Conway's is top-down line art for many of
the ships (especially capital ships). Conway's only has side-view line art.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 13:54

Rengokuy
Ohhh missed the one (yes i hate Wikipedia) I will have to check into thoses books
(hopefully I will be getting a budget for my Reseach project from my college to buy some
resources ^^ those would go great) I really need a pay pal account.....As for the Volta,
then it would be really great if she got into the game. She may even be able to stand up
to Z 99's

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 13:50

Shrike
LOL Nymet.

There are 3 classes of "modern" French heavy cruisers.

Algerie is a unique ship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Alg%C3%A9rie

Duquesne class:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duquesne_class_cruiser

Suffren class:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffren_class_cruiser

While Wikipedia is a horrible source, the technical details of the classes are correct.

Conways is a good paper source. For WW2 classes you need two volumes, 1906-
1921 and 1922-1946. Sometimes they take a while to get. Here are the Amazon
links.

http://www.amazon.com/Conways-All-Worlds-Fighting-
Ships/dp/0870219073/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-7247500-5817517

http://www.amazon.com/Conways-Worlds-Fighting-Ships-1922-
1946/dp/0870219138/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-7247500-5817517

Naturally, 1906-1921 is in stock after I waited 16 weeks for it to ship...

The Mogador and Volta were very large, impressive destroyers. I'm not sure they
ever really had an opportunity to shine though.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 13:26

Rengokuy
*Added some French CA's (sigh) and will be adding actual floatplanes used eventually (get
your neutrals ready now! I wanna be the first with a french fleet)

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 12:57

Nymet260
is it time to lv up nuets to lv 12 redy for italian navy?... cuz the french suck :P

>>>Personal Opinion<<<<

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 11. 2006 12:56

Rengokuy
Well you have pointed out the one flaw. he heh (someone finally noticed) I only listed one
Heavy Cruiser, and its archaic as hell. I am still looking them up (Information on them
Seems hard to find. I like to renforce anything I find on line with a paper source). I
will try to add information on the missing CA's. (I suppose I will use an on line
source....) Oh, and can I have your opinion on the Mogador class, from what I can tell
they failed.