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  • New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 15:27

Rengokuy
If minelayers are even introduced the Italians and the French would both have very good
ships, comparable to the Japanes. But once again, floatplane carriers would be better,
since they can operate in the capacity of true Carriers, keeping the lines balanced.
Floatplane Carriers would also provide the Japanese lines with even more ships, but that
is a whole other suggestion...

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 14:51

Rengokuy
In a few years, yes. It may happen. I am just providing information that it is possible.
Besides some of these ships are rather intreasting. You on the otherhand seem to go into
every topic and shoot down all ideas. Thats why I couldn't care less about what you have
to say.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 14:45

Rogerborg
Oh, dear God, you really think this is going to happen, don't you? You poor, poor man.
All this work, and all for nothing. I hope you're enjoying the process, at least.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 14:45

Rengokuy
I dunno, the names are in Spanish, so even when I search them, only Spanish sites come up,
it is rater frustrating.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 14:41

Genosaurer
http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Portaaviones/PortavItalianosExpyProy-2.htm

Neat find. It looks like it was a design that was contemplated in 1925, updated in 1928,
1936 and again in 1938. Remodels, anyone?

A shame there's not an english page on them that I can find. My spanish is very rusty.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 13:58

Rengokuy
DrunkenBeast-Try reading more than the title and first post before you post. And don't use
chatspeak, it makes you seem more ignorant.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 13:56

DrunkenBeast
Not going to happen



try searching b4 u post...

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 13:50

Rengokuy
Im my broken spanish this is what I can get
Carrier-Dibujo por Diego Marre (1928 or 1932) 16000t 38 knots
Armament 4 152mm, 7 102mm. Armor- ? 40-45 aircrafft
It is still hard to tell. From the drawings it seems like it a carrier. But it has 5
cranes. So she may have been a Carrier designed to use floatplanes....im still not sure

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 13:28

Rengokuy
I have found a Carrier which can take the Place as a CV2 allowing the Aquila to be the end
of the line carrier. Unfortunally all pages are in Spanish I believe, but it may be
Italian...(forgive me, I only do Japanes and English) Its name its the Progetto Rota and
here is a link to the page if anyone can translate. It is very odd looking, like a Bouge
with an extended hull fore and aft, armed with 2 turrets. There is no island and the
funnel is attached like a Japanese flat top. It does not seem like it holds to many planes.
http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Portaaviones/PortavItalianosExpyProy-2.htm

There is another carrier on the page (i wish i could read it) It is only a technical
drawing, so its safe to assume this was never even started (not that it matters) It seemes
like it can hold 44 aircraft, placing it below the Aquila.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 13:15

Rengokuy
As for the Italian Carrier line, I would like to call the German line in. I have only ever
found data on the Seydeltz and the Graf Zepplin. There was another ship of the same class,
but it was not an improvement. As for the Europa, I have only found it to be an italian
seaplane tender. That being said the two italian CV's provided will be an almost basic
copy of the KM line. A seaplane tender can be used for a CV 1, such as the Giuseppe
Miraglia. That would only leave a high end CV for the Italians, which I am currently
researching.