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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 02. 2006 10:39

Rengokuy
Ok, about the torpedo armed BB's. Most of them did not have standard launchers, the
torpedos were moundted in tubes below the water line (on the italian ships anyway) So it
would work almost as a deturrent from crossing the bow of a Battleship....

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 01. 2006 20:56

Rengokuy
wouldn't it be crazy if I did this for the Russian Navy?

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    12. 01. 2006 18:45

Rengokuy
Hey everyone (18 of you) sorry for the end of responsens. Got another French BB up there.
This is shaping up nicely.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 24. 2006 12:40

Kasa
Good and hard work. Congrats.

Recommended.

Kasa.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 23. 2006 18:07

Rengokuy
A quick note.
I relize this won't happen overnight, So stop sending me messages saying so.
Ok now that thats over, sorry I haven't got around to posting the rest of the data, I've
been busy, just please give me some time.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 22. 2006 11:27

Rengokuy
Thank you barkmann, That is very useful. I will gladly put up the stats of those ships.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 15:16

Barkmann
French BB line up:

Courbet -> Bretagne -> Dunkerque -> Richelieu -> Alsace


French battleship will start of week. Once you get to Dunkerque, with its great range, it
will dominate any ship in its class. Once getting to Richelieu is till going to have good
range but no one will use the secandary guns as AA due poor firing arcs like the Nelson
which might make it in an armor whored ship. I am sure NF will come up with some whatif
gun for the Alsace so that it will have more options.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 13:22

Rengokuy
A point which I had noted as well. Quite simply put, the French and Italian lines would
bring a more tatical edge to the game (if its even possible) Neither nation possesed
truely great Battleships. But not every player plays to be a battleship. The French would
posess many powerful torpedo ships that could rival the IJN (im not saying it will be a
perfect match), Italy would provide some of the best cruisers in the game. French ships
were also used by other nations, who up gunned them, so larger guns would eaisly come
avaible to upgun the ships. The new navies will allow players to develope many new stradgies.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 13:01

Shrike
In my opinion, the Richelieu class would sit as BB3s, equivalent to the ~35,000 ton
standard design coming at Treaty limits (NorCal, SoDak, Nelson, KGV, Nagato). The
Alsace, adding 50% more firepower and a 45,000 ton limit fits more in place opposite
the 45,000 ton standard Iowa. I know of no French BB project to the scale of the
Montana and the other BB5s.

Problem for French BBs in the NF world. Alsace simply used another turret of the
same guns as Richelieu. So either the BB3 has BB4 guns, or the BB4 has BB3 guns.
Neither option is too attractive (overpower the BB3 or underpower the BB4).

Roger is right. It is an exercise in futility (even with nice quotes from Galaxy Quest),
but perhaps you learn a little about history from it so it can't be all bad.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 12:51

Rengokuy
Another note, All these ships are with their origional layout, someting that is not
necessicarly followed in Navyfield. If they get put into the game then players will
certinly up gun them. I haven't even begun to research main armaments!