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  • New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:58

Rengokuy
Thank you TimmyC, it will be fun poking around a site in another language (wouldn't be the
first time)

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:50

TimmyC
And thank you Shrike for correcting Killer12, even though I doubt he'll ever look in
here again.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:49

TimmyC
Here's the official French website, containing plans and pictures of almost every ship
which has ever served for France:

http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-
collections/banquedocuments/planbato/planbato/central.htm

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:47

Rengokuy
Oh the researh that I have a ahead of me (thank you) I just find it intreasting the a DD
was designed to compliment a Battleship.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:42

Shrike
Fleuret was of the Le Hardi class.

French DD classes:

Chacal class
2126t standard disp.
members:
Jaguar
Lynx
Tigre
Chacal
Leopard
Panthere

Guepard class
2436t standard disp.
members:
Guepard
Valmy
Verdun
Bison
Lion
Vauban

Aigle class
2441t standard disp.
members:
Aigle
Gerfaut
Albatros
Vautour
Epervier
Milan

Vauquelin class
2441t standard disp.
members:
Vauquelin
Cassard
Maille Breze
Kersaint
Tartu
Chevalier Paul

Le Fantasque class
2569t standard disp.
members:
Le Malin
Le Terrible
L'indomptable
L'audacieux
Le Fantasque
Le Triophant

Mogador class
2884t standard disp.
members:
Volta
Mogador

Bourrasque class
1319t standard disp.
members:
Typhon
Simoun
Orage
Tramontane
Ouragan
Cyclone
Tempete
Mistral
Tornade
Bourrasque
Sirocco
Trombe

L'Adroit class
1378t standard disp.
members:
L'alcyon
La Palme
Le Mars
La Railleuse
Le Fortune
L'adroit
Brestois
Bordelaise
Boulonnais
Forbin
Fougueux
Foudroyant
Basque
Frondeur

Le Hardi class
1772t standard disp.
members:
Le Hardi
Foudroyant (ex-Fleuret)
L'adroit (ex-Epee)
Casque
Lansquenet
Mameluck
Sirocco (ex-Le Corsaire)
Bison (ex-Le Flibustier)
L'intrepide
Le Temeraire
L'aventurier
L'opiniatre

The four Le Hardi's that are ex-Name were renamed to commemorate lost ships with the
previous name.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 19:10

Rengokuy
Destroyer - Fleuret (1938) 1770t 37knots
Armament- 6 5.1in, 2 37mm, 4 13.2mm, 7 21.7 TT Armor- none
Intreasting destroyer, Made specificaly to escort the Dunkerque class. Only shortcomming
was the guns couldn't elevate past 30 Degrees.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 18:43

Rengokuy
Thank you ^^

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 18:38

shifty19
Very nice, I love how u researched.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 18:23

Rengokuy
Yes, I agree on the line drawing. I think It is a safe assumption to portray it as a
larger Richelieu (such as the Montana was a larger Iowa) It is also a safe assumpiton that
she would have a much more signifigant AA armament. As for the Joffre, from what I can
tell, it's as far as Carriers ever got for france.... I have heard of a Destroyer that
complamented the Dunkerque, I believe it was called the Fleuret....

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 20. 2006 18:06

Shrike
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/france.htm#joff-cl

Hazegray's info on the Joffre (as far as technical details) match Conway's.

What I've always had a hard time finding was info on the Alsace (BB with 3 quad 380mm
turrets). The USS Missouri page has technical details for it. I managed to find a line
drawing on the web too, but it didn't look necessarily professional.

http://www.ussmissouri.com/Battleship-French.htm

Wikipedia has a small entry on the Alsace with an external link that the lineart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace_class_battleship

If you look at the line art, the very for pair of heavy AA guns are missing on the side
view. As well, why is the top-view colored as such. It looks like poor use of the flood
fill too in an image editor.