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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
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Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 12:02

Rengokuy
For staters, then it wouldn't be a neutral line. Axis and Allied ships would be in the
same tree. Are you actualy serious?

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 11:58

Glitechnia
Hmmm, y not just mix both countries fleets into the neutral fleet, than when TNF is
rdy, we make them there own class. T'would be interesting.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 11:53

Rengokuy
The french battleship Richelieu was a real ship and would not be the end of the line ship.
And I would love to see your resourse stating that the Montana hull was laid down, any H
class got farther than a skeleton hull, or that Super Yamato was almost complete. All
ships I have mentioned were either real or planned with construction started. The only
"Fantasy ship" would be the Alsace class. Granted it never got past the drawing board,
but it contributed just as much to the war as the H-44, Super Yamato, Lion 2, and Montana
did, absolutly nothing. There is a very big difference between being built, and being started.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 11:29

Rengokuy
If anyone can read spanish, please translate a few of the dam sites.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 11:29

deamyont
Genosaurer

Acctually the BB5's except for Lions were built.

Montanas hull = Miday CV
H class = Started, scrapped in shipyard
"Super" Yamato = close to built

And doesnt a 45,000 tonship with 15'' guns (the planned french one) sound a little weak
compared to the ships above? H44: 144,000 tonnes, 20'' guns (18'' ingame), Montana:
70,000+ ton, 18'' guns, Super Yamato: 80,000+ ton, 20'' guns... Lion is a bit behind but
still like 60,000 ton, 18'' guns.

And EVERY ship except for the O2, L2 and Moltke is real or planned, so you cant just add
fantasy ships...

Nothing personal, i like the idea of new ships aswell but it simply doesnt work.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 10:10

Rengokuy
A bit on the Andrea Doria class.

Battleship - Andrea Doria (1913) 22,956t 21knots
Armament- 13 12in, 16 6in, 13 3in, 6 3inAA, 3 17.7in TT. Armor- 10in belt
the main guns were housed in 2 triple and 2 double barrel turrets, why? I don't know.
Although built in WWI, never used.

Battleship- Andrea Doria (1939) 26,434t 27knots
Armament-10 12.6in,12 5.3in, 13 3in, 10 90mmAA 15 37mm AA,16 20mmAA armor10in Belt
Heavy AA armament like most italian ships....was used as a training ship until 1953.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 08:35

Rogerborg
Truly, your tenacity is formidable. I salute you, sir. Never give up, never surrender.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples (incomplete)

    11. 21. 2006 07:51

Rengokuy
Oh yes, thank you. I will be adding more ships tho the Italian side soon (school and
illness have been interfering a bit, but today is the last day of one of the) Hopefully
when I'm finished there will be enough ships to form a tree for each nation, with some
left over to be (a little) selective. I'm more worried about the carrier line, since both
nations (for now) are using large seaplane tenders as CV1's. (But wouldn't it be so
awesome to see the Bearn, a CV whith torps!!!) And yes Rodger, I am still doing this.

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 21. 2006 06:11

CrazyNeil
Calm down Roger (its hilarious to say calm down when you're from Liverpool like me,
it must be the single funniest thing ever), if this guy wants to do a little research and
make his idea better then thats cool.

Rengokuy I think there's another class of Italian battleships you could add, I'm not
too good on the whole naval knowledge, TimmyC's the man in the know. Although it
might be the Andrea Doria which hopefully will be getting introduced soon.

CRAZY

  • Re : French/Italian Ship Examples

    11. 21. 2006 01:20

Rogerborg
Oh my God, you just can't stop! Snap out of it, man! End the madness before it consumes you!