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Let the Test Team Balance Subs
09. 01. 2011 16:41
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ljsevern
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As above. Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
Otherwise, players will flat out refuse to play and the game will die within months.
SS4's are already competitive in HA game modes (which have nearly all 120 ships apart from Submarines).
Any further buff is just going to further alienate all non submarine ships;
The SS's, while being counters to BB's, shouldn't still be an auto win.
They should have their levels adjusted for their tier.
They should have their power adjusted for their tier.
They should have their playstyle changed from Glass Orbital Cannons to a skill based hit and run ship, designed to harass the enemy from behind their lines.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 00:38
aingeal
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by Humberto20
My point => i ve been waiting for a long time for SS5 to play with, i think thats a very valid point. Answering your other question, if that was a BB, if i were playing BB, release it also, i want my next tier, either BB or SS. I ve no problem , codeying the submarines, but hopefully doesnt take that long. But either way, im going to sit and wait, playing with my cv, until i hear the new news.
Exactly my point. You call a good reason selfishly wanting a new ship, OP or not. You do not think past yourself and your impatience to play with the new toy. I'm sorry to read that honestly. For your information, if a BB7 would be hypotically created, and would obviously be wtf OP, I'd lobby against a release in live server, even if I'm mainly a BB player, simply because I understand it would hurt the server, hurt the activity, and make NF less fun for everyone. If you want to be seriously considered in balancing discussion, I'd suggest you start thinking past your own wishes, and ask yourself what the server needs as a whole. That applies to the whole Sub FanClub I've been getting run in with in the last few weeks or so. I invite you to really think about it, and no this is not a flaming. I'm trying to put yourself in perspective with what you are saying and suggesting how you could improve your view on the topic and on what balancing means. Also on the wide impact and consequence OP content have on this game.
I only have 1 thing to say: I will agree for a FAIR balance. Lets start discussing it, find some players and i will find some good ss players, and lets do our own testing in area 14. Using T.S. if this sounds good to you.
My accounts are on Kaiser, and sleeping due to me being away from my main comp on a shifty connection (cell phone one actually). Before blindly doing tests in game, a lot of discussion is necessary, discussion in which I hope you'll bring arguments rather than just requesting things. A "balance" is by definition fair, or it would be called imbalance.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 00:40
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by Humberto20
My point => i ve been waiting for a long time for SS5 to play with, i think thats a very valid point. Answering your other question, if that was a BB, if i were playing BB, release it also, i want my next tier, either BB or SS. I ve no problem , codeying the submarines, but hopefully doesnt take that long. But either way, im going to sit and wait, playing with my cv, until i hear the new news.
Exactly my point. You call a good reason selfishly wanting a new ship, OP or not. You do not think past yourself and your impatience to play with the new toy. I'm sorry to read that honestly. For your information, if a BB7 would be hypotically created, and would obviously be wtf OP, I'd lobby against a release in live server, even if I'm mainly a BB player, simply because I understand it would hurt the server, hurt the activity, and make NF less fun for everyone. If you want to be seriously considered in balancing discussion, I'd suggest you start thinking past your own wishes, and ask yourself what the server needs as a whole. That applies to the whole Sub FanClub I've been getting run in with in the last few weeks or so. I invite you to really think about it, and no this is not a flaming. I'm trying to put yourself in perspective with what you are saying and suggesting how you could improve your view on the topic and on what balancing means. Also on the wide impact and consequence OP content have on this game.
I only have 1 thing to say: I will agree for a FAIR balance. Lets start discussing it, find some players and i will find some good ss players, and lets do our own testing in area 14. Using T.S. if this sounds good to you.
My accounts are on Kaiser, and sleeping due to me being away from my main comp on a shifty connection (cell phone one actually). Before blindly doing tests in game, a lot of discussion is necessary, discussion in which I hope you'll bring arguments rather than just requesting things. A "balance" is by definition fair, or it would be called imbalance.
~Sigh~ just forget it, NVM~~
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 00:56
Bombe
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SS must be nerfed
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 00:57
greentater
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Bring on the sub 5s baby, cant wait!
love how the mini map is a copy from a popular game that's out that many from nf are on now lol
back to topic , sub 5s , wonder if they will be faster , stay under longer , reload faster , kill cry baby's with ease, lol
i can not wait for the subs
thanks LJ for making me aware of the new content soon to be added
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 01:08
Sanitarium
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Hi guys just dropping in the discussion. By the way am a BB driver but i like to take my ss for a drive every now and then so i play both types. I have been around since the early beta stages so please try to flame.
Basically from my point of view (trying to stay neutral) both side are correct. Lets see things they way they are. when the sn nation was introduced we had lots of problems with the IM. Everyone was complaining about it but it was released and it stayed unbalanced for a long time. Same with the current ss tiers. The ss need to be balanced out thats a fact. However, it would not be fair for the SS players not to have their next tier because its unbalanced. It has always been the same with SDE. Always releasing stuff although they are unbalanced and cause problems with the community. The SS need to be released in the live server so that we can see the actual problems with them and then fix them as it has always happen until now. Once they will be out there is going to be a lot of anger and rage going on but it s a good way to see the actual abilities of the new tier and find the problems. Its not always the same testing something and having it in the live server.
There are many ships that still need fixing and the test server team is doing their best. I would like to thank these people for actually trying to help out and apologise for not being able to help out as well (real life comes first). The people that do complain should actualy join the Team and do some test with them in order to fix things out. Complaining about something is not the same as actually doing something to find the solution.
So at the end let the test server team do their job without too much complaining (obviously the people in charge should be neutral and not say hey i got a chance to nerf the ship i have the most problems against so lets **** them up.
Thanks for reading
Sanitarium
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 02:26
Humberto20
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De-recommended.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 02:32
NIborGER
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its fail to complain about content u havent neither played 1sec or seen ingame.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 02:38
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by NIborGER
its fail to complain about content u havent neither played 1sec or seen ingame.
Bravo!! Applause. Well said. Its funny, they are not even on test servers yet, or at least, not mentioned or read anything about it and they are already complaintning about it. Its a selfish suggestion, not lettting the submarine community to play with the ss5, while back i read something in the test server forum, that they had couple of weeks to test ss5 and balance it, but i heard then it was delayed or something, its obvious that ss decrimination its happening, doesnt matter how many times, they tell us , " rebalance purposes, and not making them OP". so much controversy in the last couple of days for this ship class. " I Wish TNF FORBIDES anyone to post or suggest anything related to submarines until they come out.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 02:44
Maistral
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by NIborGER
its fail to complain about content u havent neither played 1sec or seen ingame.
Bravo!! Applause. Well said. Its funny, they are not even on test servers yet, or at least, not mentioned or read anything about it and they are already complaintning about it. Its a selfish suggestion, not lettting the submarine community to play with the ss5, while back i read something in the test server forum, that they had couple of weeks to test ss5 and balance it, but i heard then it was delayed or something, its obvious that ss decrimination its happening, doesnt matter how many times, they tell us , " rebalance purposes, and not making them OP". so much controversy in the last couple of days for this ship class. " I Wish TNF FORBIDES anyone to post or suggest anything related to submarines until they come out.
seeing some SS4 drivers can do with what they have now.. what would happen if SS5 got released with NFKR stats? remember the French Bombers issue? O_o
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 02:46
Maistral
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and i forgot.
rec.
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