If SDE wants to talk about a "slight redesign of SS gameplay" (for example giving them more air in exchange for speed, or another example more damage to torps but slower reload) maybe it would be interesting to see what options we have and its very important to count with SS drivers opinions...

Cracko, I won't speak for SDE on this matter, but from what I read in the topics on the test server it is definitely the spirit of the test team to achieve something in those lines. No one in the test team is talking about a general nerf of the SS class, and I can assure you that no one in TNF or the GMs will allow a capital ship class to be rendered useless.

All proposals from everyone I've read in the test team, point out to a mix of buffs and nerfs in different areas, in order to redesign SS gameplay.

In fact, your examples are suggestions that have been already given by people in the test server.
So you can be sure that any conversation regarding SS balance will go in the direction you point out in that quote, and I would agree that SS players are very important in this.

The exact content of what is mostly agreed with by everyone that are seriously discussing subs:

1-CHANGE subs to a stealth ship, by giving it the tools to sneak around
2-CHANGE ASW to actually get skilled ASW play to kill skilled subs.
3-with 1, only skilled SS will be able to sink skilled BB
4-Give subs national advantages, rather than have IJN and KM OP (one due to torps amount, the 2nd due to prox) and the other nations kinda tasteless in comparison.


Ideas to do so that were talked about:

-Modification to crit dive to make it a mode where you will suck up air like mad, but able to move undetected/dodge. No more damage.

Linked to it, I suggested a silent mode separate from crit dive, but I'm ain't sure at all its possible, but I won't bother re-explaining that idea again :/ Check test server section.

-Modification to HH to HAW weapons (minimum firing angle)

-Significant air buff

-Speed reduction (around 35 above water, 30 underwater)

-Torp reload nerf

-No more dud

-torps splash nerf

-Different types of torpedoes

-OH ratio buff (easier to speed cap)

-Submergence nerf (if you do surface near a BB = game over. You'll have the tools not to do so)




Thats on the top of my head. Obviously, some things are going to change, and get nerfed. Other will get buffed I'd think.

Thats at least what I hope to see the test team do with them, and I,ll be there along to way to help with idea and tests at the best I can. No where did I see anyone, including ljsevern, call for a nerfbat.

Wouldn't you say being recognized as a master of a ship class rather than master of:

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF U I I SPACE SPACE FFFFFFFFF SPACE SPACE *surface* P CLICK *smoke...10 sec* U SPACE SPACE!

Sub playstyle right now is a short ranged nuke, that sometimes get nuked before getting a single points of attack, but other times just rapes ship much higher level than it is with stupid salvo powers. We have an imbalance trying to
fix another. So either the sub meets OP ASW or the BB meet OP SS first.

Speed Has been nerfed already. Reason that you cannot touch this:

FF/DD has an insane speed 45-58 knots as minimum, if you reduce the speed, you are making IJN sub very very bad at turning event worst.Another reason, subs will be kinda slow to reach a target , because your team if playing properly, will take all your food from you, air is a good compesation, but playing slow, gets boring as well,

Torpedo reload nerf- I disagree.

torp splash nerf- Maybe a 25% nerf wont hurt anybody, in compesation, give more torpedoes to submarines, but leave the duds as they are. I think i got not problem with that,

Lets say different type of torpedoes:

LVL 30's torpedoes= 4000dmg
level level 40's torpedoes= 7000 dmg
level 6o's torpedoes= 9000 dmg
level 70's torpedoes = 13000 dmg
level 80's torpedoes= 16000dmg
level 90's torpedoes= 17500 dmg
level 100's torpedoes= 19000 dmg
level 110 torpedoes= 21000 dmg
level 120 torpedoes = 23000 dmg

Speed still allows to run down BBs.

I don't see how it would make a difference with being ran down by FF, you ain't suppose to outrun them.

To be clear, I'm thinking 35 knot max surfaced, 30 submerged, easier to speed cap. Slower than the BBs, but not slow either.



Care to elaborate? Sub DPM needs to be reduced, and I believe in a hard first hit, in good classic stealth play.



Imo, you miss you miss. You hit you hit, hence why I say no dud, and no splash. Or minimal, as I doubt the game mechanic can totally avoid it.




Of course there should be a per torp damage raise with each tier.

However, I,m afraid you mean lvl 120 torper on an SS1 = lvl 120 torps. If its the case, I heavily disagree, 120 gunners on BB1 do not mean BB6 guns.

What I had in mind is a bit like the kita M93 launcher choices, sub version.


Btw why are you always fighting against the nerf, but never proposed discussing the buff and how they compensate those?

Video please, because I haven't experienced that. And a phone timer isn't accurate at all. The phone test will be the cause of your 0.6 seconds more.

The test wasn't rigged, but it seems that no matter what tests are done and proven, the same players will complain about it.

You can't use GB as a balance indicator, as fleet compositions are vastly different, teamwork is little to none, and skill level is generally little to none. People play for Exp, not to win. Furthermore, attack isn't the only indicator of power.

You have to use GB as a balance indicator because GB/blitz is most used game modes. You can not balance game only just for HA/FL/FW because this modes play only minority of player base.
I like much more HA/FL/FW but we need prepare balanced content for most used game modes. In FL/FW you can easily balance because you can setup limits separately for this matches / FL/FW /.
GB/blitz are modes which bring SDE money and player base is pushed to play in this modes.
You can not ignore GB/Blitz from balance discusions just because you(me too) prefer playing in other modes. You have to count with this majority of players in this game modes.

subs face PHH, DC, shells...torps .....other subs.... ..CL with sonar ...DD's FF....CV,s with sonar....there more than enough ASW to wipe out the subs. Subs are allways, allways out numbered by the BB's, How would like that to be reversed for a while?

Subs air has been nerfed, speed has been nerfed dive time nerfed...meanwhile ASW weapons all Buffed.

Look at the PHH....thier only Hedge Hogs in name only...their range is that of shell fire, not HH.