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Let the Test Team Balance Subs
09. 01. 2011 16:41
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ljsevern
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As above. Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
Otherwise, players will flat out refuse to play and the game will die within months.
SS4's are already competitive in HA game modes (which have nearly all 120 ships apart from Submarines).
Any further buff is just going to further alienate all non submarine ships;
The SS's, while being counters to BB's, shouldn't still be an auto win.
They should have their levels adjusted for their tier.
They should have their power adjusted for their tier.
They should have their playstyle changed from Glass Orbital Cannons to a skill based hit and run ship, designed to harass the enemy from behind their lines.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 10:06
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by CommanderR
I do not Rec untill the HH are fixed....
Another QQing Sub topic how nice
Also LJ could you back of your claims SS = auto win not true
LJ should we fix Cvs too since a CV can kill Anyship in the game while siting far back
LJ Think of Subs like CVs they have a lot of abbity to help there teams however just like CVs there is a lot of counters... While BBs there is no counter for incoming shells
"They should have their playstyle changed from Glass Orbital Cannons to a skill based hit and run ship, designed to harass the enemy from behind their lines." Quote from Ljsevern... with this comment do to you intend to get rid of HH?... no way a comment like this can come true unless HH is remove since once a Subs Fires his torps the sub is going to die very soon if PHH are near by...
I will always push for the removal of PHH. Furthermore, the time it takes to go to crit dive is quicker than HH to detonate. Richardphat proved that.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 12:32
RedNemo
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To balance subs i have a simple and stupid suggestion, a new line of ships who never go over CL( tu be able to use sonar), but offer high level ASW ships to allow more expert players to use them and meanwhile go on grinding main/secondary/usefull crew even at high levels.
In my opinion the main problem is that the most specialized ships in ASW are all low level, and if you know how to play you actually fly over those lvls, ant then what the use of playing if you dont get any XP by doing that.
So my idea is that: give high level players the posibility to make good or maybe just decent EXP by killing subs.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 13:03
aingeal
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
This topic discuss only BB/CV players, and not thinking for ss community, its very selfish to see for one side, an leaving behinf the other side. Asking for not releasing this ss when its meant to come out, its just a proof of the intolerance they have for submarines. It is very sad, that there is people, only BB/CV drivers are the only one to speak and not letting others to speak for subs. for everything there is impact, not just 1 thing.NF is having hard time yes, but that doesnt mean its collapsing, this game will survive.Dont take that as excuse that NF will die because of submarines, when BB drivers are harrasing CVs drivers all the time, by blaming them for the lost, thatas another big reason why in the last few months we were having lack of cvs, people gets depressed due to this kind of behaviour.
Stop trying to play the victim. Contrary to you, we ain't lobbying against sub, we are questionning OP content. Why else would we also call for PHH nerf if we were truly an anti-SS lobby? The difference is many of us have been in the game for a long while, we have multiple class of ships, SS and CV included, and we bring points as to where things do not work. If you have an argument to make for SS release other than "I want my stuff now!", make it. Otherwise, please get off this topic.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 13:39
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by Humberto20
^ Thats what happened, when you tell the trull, you get > stop playing the victim/ forum rule breaker, spammer/flammer. But anyways, im highly doubting that you are here to ask about how strong they are. You dont necessary have to nerf it for SS, you want to nerf them, because they kill surface ships as well. Thats the only reason why,. I have been for a while as well, since there was No GB, or any other game mode.
I'd be curious to know where I flamed you. I didn't, I simply disagreed with your ideas, the motivation behind them, and your way to present them. Do not assume to understand my motivations when clearly you seem to think I'm specifically out to nerf-bat the subs, no matter the fact that I never posted that.
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Sure, i do wanna play the ss5, not because i want it, but also to level up and have fun in NF, thats all about this game, isnt?
So YOU don't wanna play SS5 because you want it, but because YOU want to level and have fun in NF, no matter than your fun is harming other players fun? Yes I believe it was my point also concerning that argument, and that I asked if you wanted to add ANOTHER one. You clearly don't. So please, you've made that one already in this topic, allow other people to do so, and kindly remove yourself from the discussion. Btw flaming =/= disagreeing with you.
I didnt see you flamming however you refereed me as the victim, and that speaks by itself.Its obvious, that not all the players shares our ideas, and we are also part of the community to show our disagrement. What Im trying to say, Submarines are not the ONLY reason, why the community population is droping, Let me ask you something, if you have a country with 300 millions people, suddenly you do a census, and it reveals that your population has decreased, to 284 millions, are you going to blame one thing, and the same thing all the time? Obviously, people leaves the place, for more than 1 reason.I kindly ask you to stop acting with intolerance against my threads and altsein threads. Denied to leave this discussion, because this also affects my ships. I will be discussing and debating this as much as possible.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 13:51
ljsevern
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Humberto;
What you fail to forget is, most of us have submarines also. You need to have played all ship classes extensively to be able to see the bigger picture.
Furthermore, when you are proved wrong, you just cry flaming. Why don't you try to have a constructive discussion rather than spamming threads with altsein and reporting to the mods to try and get me banned when I haven't broken any rule.
I myself have a vet capped KM SS crew. That shouldn't give me an autowin over all other ships (you yourself want double damage for max vets compared to 109 vets).
Furthermore, you should also see that we want PHH removed, we want there to be balanced subs that match the tiers they are in.
Maybe you should read all our posts fully. None of us realistically want the removal of subs, and to be honest, anyone that does has no idea what they are talking about.
Work with us, rather than getting angry and think everything is personal. Sure, I got annoyed 3 years ago when you was a terrible BB player (which I'm sure is why you switched to subs). Not meaning to insult here, but when I first started I was terrible too. But I had completely forgotton that was you until you brought it up the other day. You really need to stop taking things personally, sit down and look at things objectively.
Think about things from the "other side". Not only does playing other ship classes improve your submarine play, but also makes you far more objective.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 13:58
CommanderR
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by CommanderR
I do not Rec untill the HH are fixed....
Another QQing Sub topic how nice
Also LJ could you back of your claims SS = auto win not true
LJ should we fix Cvs too since a CV can kill Anyship in the game while siting far back
LJ Think of Subs like CVs they have a lot of abbity to help there teams however just like CVs there is a lot of counters... While BBs there is no counter for incoming shells
"They should have their playstyle changed from Glass Orbital Cannons to a skill based hit and run ship, designed to harass the enemy from behind their lines." Quote from Ljsevern... with this comment do to you intend to get rid of HH?... no way a comment like this can come true unless HH is remove since once a Subs Fires his torps the sub is going to die very soon if PHH are near by...
I will always push for the removal of PHH. Furthermore, the time it takes to go to crit dive is quicker than HH to detonate. Richardphat proved that.
1st you did not prove the SS auto win And there is more then 1 then factor for crit diving & the testing Richard was only done when a Sub was at full stop... So your intel is bias since the test is based off 1 factor... I request a lock on this topic!
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 14:05
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Humberto;
What you fail to forget is, most of us have submarines also. You need to have played all ship classes extensively to be able to see the bigger picture.
Furthermore, when you are proved wrong, you just cry flaming. Why don't you try to have a constructive discussion rather than spamming threads with altsein and reporting to the mods to try and get me banned when I haven't broken any rule.
I myself have a vet capped KM SS crew. That shouldn't give me an autowin over all other ships (you yourself want double damage for max vets compared to 109 vets).
Furthermore, you should also see that we want PHH removed, we want there to be balanced subs that match the tiers they are in.
Maybe you should read all our posts fully. None of us realistically want the removal of subs, and to be honest, anyone that does has no idea what they are talking about.
Work with us, rather than getting angry and think everything is personal. Sure, I got annoyed 3 years ago when you was a terrible BB player (which I'm sure is why you switched to subs). Not meaning to insult here, but when I first started I was terrible too. But I had completely forgotton that was you until you brought it up the other day. You really need to stop taking things personally, sit down and look at things objectively.
Think about things from the "other side". Not only does playing other ship classes improve your submarine play, but also makes you far more objective.
You know whats my difference between today and yesterday? When, i started playing BB's, i was trying to play for my own entertainment, and i didnt do anything to you, did you ever see me criticing 3 years ago, your game style? did you ever saw me posting anything bad against you 3 years, not everyone played like you, and i didnt deserve to be blasted like that. Sure, that pretty much desmotivated me from Playing BB's and decidedd to play Submarines, you want to know something Ironically, i was somewhat against SS when they came out, but then i decided to give them a chance, and you know something, its not if they are overpowered or not, submarines are the ships that fits me and feels comfortable to play with. Let me ask you something, why should i play with a ship that i suck, and no play with a ship that i can play and have fun? Thats my difference between yesterday and today. And no, im not trying to get your account banned, and you know something, you can ask any Mod i said the same thing about you, you trying to get my account banned, and thats why, im being defensived, to protect my account, that you have no idea, how vaaluable is. I should work yes, but with a fair balance to both sides that doesnt affect our investment, i will work if there is tolerance from both sides, I ll apologize, if you apologize, isnt that fair?
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 14:10
aingeal
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I'd like to request mods to leave this topic OPENED.
Why? Because in no way this topic went down in flames. We have a few people that do not want the debate to take place, and post accusations, and you have people discussing the topic trying to explain to them their point of view.
If you don't like something, you don't ask it to be locked.
This is a valid suggestion about what to do with incoming new content, and it deserves to be discussed.
If it IS locked, its a dangerous message to send about debate in this community.
If people with an openly pro-sub agenda can have a valid suggestion locked with THEIR accusation post would be sad indeed.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 15:41
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by CommanderR
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by CommanderR
I do not Rec untill the HH are fixed....
Another QQing Sub topic how nice
Also LJ could you back of your claims SS = auto win not true
LJ should we fix Cvs too since a CV can kill Anyship in the game while siting far back
LJ Think of Subs like CVs they have a lot of abbity to help there teams however just like CVs there is a lot of counters... While BBs there is no counter for incoming shells
"They should have their playstyle changed from Glass Orbital Cannons to a skill based hit and run ship, designed to harass the enemy from behind their lines." Quote from Ljsevern... with this comment do to you intend to get rid of HH?... no way a comment like this can come true unless HH is remove since once a Subs Fires his torps the sub is going to die very soon if PHH are near by...
I will always push for the removal of PHH. Furthermore, the time it takes to go to crit dive is quicker than HH to detonate. Richardphat proved that.
1st you did not prove the SS auto win And there is more then 1 then factor for crit diving & the testing Richard was only done when a Sub was at full stop... So your intel is bias since the test is based off 1 factor... I request a lock on this topic!
A) Yes I (aswell as Richardphat) have proved it. B) You are wrong. Although, I am guessing that you are going to keep complaining that KM doesn't have the best range in any tier.
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Re : Do not release SS5's until SS Balance by the Test Team
09. 02. 2011 15:54
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Humberto;
What you fail to forget is, most of us have submarines also. You need to have played all ship classes extensively to be able to see the bigger picture.
Furthermore, when you are proved wrong, you just cry flaming. Why don't you try to have a constructive discussion rather than spamming threads with altsein and reporting to the mods to try and get me banned when I haven't broken any rule.
I myself have a vet capped KM SS crew. That shouldn't give me an autowin over all other ships (you yourself want double damage for max vets compared to 109 vets).
Furthermore, you should also see that we want PHH removed, we want there to be balanced subs that match the tiers they are in.
Maybe you should read all our posts fully. None of us realistically want the removal of subs, and to be honest, anyone that does has no idea what they are talking about.
Work with us, rather than getting angry and think everything is personal. Sure, I got annoyed 3 years ago when you was a terrible BB player (which I'm sure is why you switched to subs). Not meaning to insult here, but when I first started I was terrible too. But I had completely forgotton that was you until you brought it up the other day. You really need to stop taking things personally, sit down and look at things objectively.
Think about things from the "other side". Not only does playing other ship classes improve your submarine play, but also makes you far more objective.
You know whats my difference between today and yesterday? When, i started playing BB's, i was trying to play for my own entertainment, and i didnt do anything to you, did you ever see me criticing 3 years ago, your game style? did you ever saw me posting anything bad against you 3 years, not everyone played like you, and i didnt deserve to be blasted like that. Sure, that pretty much desmotivated me from Playing BB's and decidedd to play Submarines, you want to know something Ironically, i was somewhat against SS when they came out, but then i decided to give them a chance, and you know something, its not if they are overpowered or not, submarines are the ships that fits me and feels comfortable to play with. Let me ask you something, why should i play with a ship that i suck, and no play with a ship that i can play and have fun? Thats my difference between yesterday and today. And no, im not trying to get your account banned, and you know something, you can ask any Mod i said the same thing about you, you trying to get my account banned, and thats why, im being defensived, to protect my account, that you have no idea, how vaaluable is. I should work yes, but with a fair balance to both sides that doesnt affect our investment, i will work if there is tolerance from both sides, I ll apologize, if you apologize, isnt that fair?
I am all about the rules Humberto. I have said lesser stuff on NF.com that what you have said and been banned for it. I've never said it is right, but I ask to be treated fairly. I haven't broken any rules on NF.com in recent memory; Because when I do, I get severely punished for it. I am not trying to get anyone banned in particular, I am asking for the rules to be enforced, and if not, changed. Because I find it horribly unfair that someone can make death threats on these forums less than a week after coming off a 2 month forum ban (Which he actively avoided and broke), yet not be punished. (I am not referring to you). A big thing about playing other classes (be it BB's, be it CV's) is that you learn about what you need to do; E.g, playing as a BB player has taught me what to do in CV. Playing as a Sub player has taught me what to do in other ships against subs, or what to do to help the subs on my team. I am not wanting to make a ship suck. Not at all. I want a fair balance. I have always said that. I don't see why I should apologise for that. That said, I will apologise for my remarks three years ago, and if you ever want to get on Teamspeak and want to learn to play BB, feel free. I do have an idea about how valuable your account is; While I don't value my accounts monetary wise because after all, its just pixels, but I value it in time spent. You really do need to look at things from the other side.
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