lj, ultra...stay pls outside personal attack. Thanks

in a room without other ss (IJN SS4 is very weak in dog fights with other SS), or without any ASW (every gb counts like 3-4 ships each side nowadays) and the BB doesn't gun it down. Yeah a very good realistic test...(this is indeed sarcasm)

I know this is just testing that an IJN ss4 can punch a BB hard. But if seems others allrrady starting again about the overpowered whine. Perhaps you should also test how many SS actually make it to the BB. How many battles YOU get sunk or even attacked by SS. Also wanna add the fact the BB just sits there. You would be suprised if you would follow most ss drivers...they can't aim (anticipating where the BB heads at). I'm not gonna say SS with HE damage of 22000 torps and 8 front tubes isn't powerfull, but the greatest enemy of this SS is other SS and PHH. If in a room of 5 ss each side, 2 survive to attack the BB, that would be a normal number. Most SS can't even aim.

For example, I drive a pcv with 0,2 belt and 100 bulge... and yet I can easily dodge the SS till he completly ran out of torps!!! This without an escort with sonar. I know most bb react as cattle on torps and start running away from it...WRONG...turn towards it makes it very difficult to make succesfull torp runs. You don't need 255 bulge to dodge SS.

IJN SS4 are simple BB killers and most dangerous for the BB. But just like vision I'm pretty sure most bb drivers have teached themselves to need to cry on other shiptypes to assist them. Isn't it funny tough, when we play in fleets, it seems we can easily neutralize SS when working together and it seems that the drama always comes from the not teamworking related GB2 rooms? In fleetwars with SS or even HA, you see the SS staying near the BB and take out SS.

Not mentioning that every DD, FF and 1/3 of the CL (other 2/3 are AA) carries PHH and are ASW, so constantly on the look out. SS are indeed dangerous when there is nothing between them and the CV or the BB to waste air supply and torps on. You have more chance getting hit by PHH from blitzships then torps from SS.


I'm not defending SS, but a video where they "test" that an IJN SS4 with 8 front tubes is powerful....well duuuhhh. Waste of time for something obvious. Thank god it wasn't my time. A IJN SS4 that keeps shooting 8 torps simultanious can only do this 5 times and run out of torps. With all the things that come between the SS and the BB an SS can easily lose torps so he can only do 3 of these runs. A BB with dodging skills or even ASW revealing the SS for the BB can fix alot.

You wanted to say these facts before lots of ppl start to turn this into a OMG the SS are OP'ed thread. I know some ppl are narrow minded to not see teh facts. When I get sunk by SS in a BB I don't get pissed of like and start running to threads and cry how powerfull they are, I just leave and do another game. I also lvled myself an SS t take down SS when I feel the need to. We al have been giving like 3000 PHH for free... Depth charges have great spalsh damage area underwater and you only need 2 on top of the SS4 (with 900 SD) to destroy it. But I can keep telling this over and over that YOU can easily take down an SS. But why should I keep bothering since most don't even know they can put scouts on their ships aswell.

Ther are ppl that actually love playing SS now, just like you in a BB and others in ASW. Since SS have been introduced it's very easy to lvl up crew with PHH. Some really forget this is just a game and ment to be fun. Don't like SS? get PHH, DC, DD or FF escort, CL AA escort with sonar, or ask ASW or even a friendly SS to help out.

You know the first thing I do in my pcv is to launch 2 TB waves of 4 planes to strike down the SS at start. Very effective since ùost SS are unaware of this There are more ways to kill a freaking SS then killing BB!!!!

Like I said I'm more a CV driver but getting tired of these OP threads about subs. Boys cry when things aren't fair, Men take control over these things. This is just a game, boohoo I got sunk by SS. Prob 1 game out of 10. It's just a part of NF.

This vid reminds me of a QV with 9" armor...USE AP prob solved. this IJN SS4 is also easy to counter. You would be suprised how much BB can take out nowadays. Let's take a QV for example with AA Emden as escort and a sonar on the emden. QV carries PHH on his T slots and has 0,4 belt and 8-9" deck. This means QV can kill planes, counter SS and kill everything that floats on the water. That pretty much covers all don't you think? Add a LVL 120 scout and he even has a fighter plane with an insane vison range and speed. But yeah the IJN SS4 is overpowerd. (Yes I started this thread with sarcasm and I end with it)

This was my disscusion about it, and as asked hopefully you are openminded for the facts.

You're gonna get another FB message real soon Lukas.